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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2009 18:06:37 GMT -5
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I have a note of a death of a Miss Mary Quick at St Ives, aged 24 years, on the 16th December 1840.
Given that the daughter of Gabriel Quick and his wife Mary is still alive at the 1841 census, am I right in saying that this is Mary Gregory Quick, baptised to George and Mary on the 3rd January 1817 at St Ives.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 17, 2009 18:28:54 GMT -5
Lannanta - it 'could' be but I certainly cannot be sure of it. We do not know that she was baptised at St Ives so it would be best to check a few more details. Although not conclusive she does appear to be the only Mary in my database that would be of the right age. Will have to take another look at this later on - I need some sleep after wading through US newspapers all night and half of yesterday. (And more to go when I wake up! ) BTW - 'Quick' is not the easiest name to look for in newspapers online. If you enter a search name of 'Quick' you will find just a few in amongst all the adjectives spelt q-u-i-c-k! One search the other night brought up over 1.8 MILLION hits!! CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2009 19:11:25 GMT -5
That is what I thought you would say. While I am on the subject of St Ives and taking stabs in the dark , there was a Jane Quick (married) who died aged 24 years on May 18 1838. Do you have any theories on who she is - my first shot at it would be Jane Gent. This would then explain why the Richard Quick who married Grace Downing was a widower when he married. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 18, 2009 4:49:10 GMT -5
Jane GENT was baptised at St Ives in 1807 which is about 7 years early for this burial to be hers. From memory there were about three possibilities in FreeBMD that could be her. (yes - 2 in 1838 and one in 1839) I think we can eliminate this one and the one in 1839 was buried at Ludgvan but I have no age recorded for her. So Jane GENT is probably the one who died December 1838. Hmmm - looking at FreeBMD they have Penzance in italics and the other details are an exact match for the June Death record. And then there is Jane ALLEN (wife of Israel QUICK) whose last child was baptised in 1836. Israel was widowed by 1841 although the burial of your query cannot be her. Actually the closest match I have in my database is the daughter of Andrew and Elizabeth (nee STEVENS) who was baptised at St Ives in 1815. You say this Jane was married so do we have an as yet unconnected Jane QUICK married to another QUICK??? If not then I am currently at a loss. Of course there is still another possibility - that Jane bp. 1807 d/o George and Grace GENT died before 1813 and another child of that name was born and became the wife of Richard QUICK. There is a large gap from 1807 to 1815 for children of George GENT. CT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2009 6:38:45 GMT -5
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I have not got another marriage record for Richard that could make him a widower. The Jane that died in May 1838 at St Ives was Mrs Jane Quick so she was definitely married to someone. Given that she was only 24, reportedly, she seems to be the only Jane that could have married Richard.
Was she a St Ives girl?
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Post by newlyn on Apr 18, 2009 8:30:10 GMT -5
Richard Quick married Jane Gent 4.2.1836 St Ives. Jane was born St Ives 11.8.1807. Can find no record of her death at the moment.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 18, 2009 9:07:29 GMT -5
Not necessarily! It may have been that she was single, well off in her own right and both parents deceased. The term 'Mrs' did not always indicate a married woman. But assuming that she was married then the logical person would seem to have been the wife of Richard QUICK. But as I said earlier - Jane GENT was baptised at St Ives in 1807 and would have been 31 in 1838, a difference of seven years. The family as I have it:- George GENT, mariner of Stoke Damerel married Grace BENNETTS by Licence 11th September 1803 at St Ives Grace bp. 14th May 1804 St Ives m. Henry Polmeor TREVORROW 1832 St Ives JANE bp. 11th August 1807 St Ives Susan bp. 14th July 1815 St Ives Margaret bp. 25th October 1816 St Ives According to the 1851 Census the mother, Grace (nee BENNETTS) was born at St Ives about 1783. There is a gap of eight years between daughters Jane and Susan so it is possible that this Jane died and was replaced by another born about 1813 or 1814. However - I have so far been able to find no other children for this family anywhere. I cannot find the senior Grace GENT in the 1841 Census however in 1851 she is living at Bailey's Lane, St Ives. And with her is a grandaughter named Grace GENT, age 18. There is no baptism for the younger Grace at St Ives and I cannot find her in the non-comformist PRs to which I have access. I have, however, just found a marriage for Margaret d/o George and Grace GENT. She married Samuel KEMP in 1838 - Penzance R.D. There are children to this couple baptised St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit. Returning to the younger Grace - it is possible that she was an illegitimate child but it is also possible that there was at least one more child, a son, to George and Grace. Something else interesting - young Grace does not appear in the index for the 1851 Census! Oh yes she does - Grace CART! Cannot seem to find any of the family in 1841 - except for the widower Richard QUICK. Have placed a request for a lookup for a few things so will see what comes back and if it is of any help. CT
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 0:53:49 GMT -5
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I have enough information on Jane Gent to put you out of your misery.
Her age was incorrectly reported in the newspaper. She was in fact aged 31 years which brings her into line with her baptism record. She died on the ninth of May 1838 at St Ives. She was the wife of Richard Quick, miner. She died of rheumatic disease of the heart and the informant was one Paul Quick who was probably Richard's brother given that is where Richard was living at the 1841 census.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 2, 2009 4:07:25 GMT -5
Lannanta - excellent work! Is this detail from another Death Certificate? CT
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Post by quicksilver on Jul 16, 2012 15:39:36 GMT -5
Hi Guys, I think Mary Gregory Quick was the daughter of George Quick and Mary Gregory. She was baptised on 3 Jan 1817 in St Ives, naming those parents, and may have died 13 Dec 1840 in St Ives aged 24. Kind Regards QUICKSILVER
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 17, 2012 3:52:46 GMT -5
Yes, there is little doubt that Mary Gregory Quick was the daughter of George and Mary. The problem is in being certain that it was she who was buried as 'Mary Quick' in 1840. I suspect it probably was her but as the middle name of 'Gregory' is not present we need to eliminate all other possibilities and that means allowing for a couple of years discrepancy in age as well as the possibility that she may have been a married woman. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 17, 2012 3:58:09 GMT -5
Well it seems we can dismiss the possibility that Mary Quick was married! The report in The West Briton of December 25th 1840 labels her as 'Miss Mary Quick'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 16:36:16 GMT -5
I also put the 1840 death to Mary Gregory Quick as a result of the West Briton notice. I have not seen a death for a Mary Gregory Quick - only a Mary.
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Post by andrewwa on Aug 29, 2012 5:53:52 GMT -5
lannanta & CT
This relates to the 2009 posts above - I am unsure if this has been covered elsewhere.
It is very likely/possible that the 18yo Grace GENT - Netter living with the 67yo Grace GENT - Widow in Baileys Lane, St Ives in the 1851 Eng Census is Grace Gent TREVORROW daughter of Grace's daughter Grace GENT (1804-1883) who married Henry Polmear TREVORROW (1806-1866) on 30 Apr 1822 St Ives.
Grace Gent Trevorrow is missing from her family group (living on Waren, St Ives) in 1851.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2012 10:43:37 GMT -5
Very good Andrew - that would make perfect sense. I was not looking at the Trevorrow family at that time and probably had not pursued any of the grandhcildren of Grace Gent so consequently that would not have occurred to me! CT
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