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Post by judylynn on Mar 29, 2009 18:51:27 GMT -5
I came across records of the UREN surname recently (by accident) around my hometown in Northumberland County, PA. I have no connections to this name, but it's a bit unusual for my neck of the woods. This was originally posted on the Cornish Yahoo group, but thought you all might as well have a crack at it Warning: I have no reason to believe these particular people are Cornish, except that this messageboard has a UREN section! A funeral home and cemetery in Shamokin list the following -- no info on where they were born, or who their parents were: George UREN: lived 20 Sep 1836 – 25 Feb 1897 wife = Emily (FALLS – recorded once as FAUB): 26 Jan 1843 – 7 Jun 1920 Their two children are at the same funeral home and cemetery: Elizabeth J. UREN: b. 4 Dec 1872 in Hazleton (Luzerne Co.); d. 1915; no husband listed Richard H. UREN: b. 30 Aug 1887 in Shamokin; d. 1920; a wife is listed but no kids There's also this man, with no spouse or other info, buried here: George UREN b. 1 Sep 1864 Another family is listed in the funeral home and area cemeteries. While they themselves are not found buried here, Henry UREN & Margaret (STEVENS) are listed as the parents of: Harry D. UREN: b. 30 Aug 1867 in Schuylkill Co. Emily UREN: b. 25 Feb 1870 Jane UREN: b. 3 Jan 1873 in Coal Township (just outside Shamokin) David UREN: b. 4 Jan 1876 in Shamokin All the above have spouses listed except Emily. A quick check of local census records reveals the name sometimes recorded as HURON. It confirms George & Emily's family in Hazle Township in 1870, with son George (the guy b. 1864, presumably). Another HURON family is living with them; probably George Sr.'s brother. Both men are miners: James 31 Elizabeth (wife) 27 kids Jane Amy 7, Selina 4, Mary Jo(?) 1 George Sr. and James and their wives are listed as being born in England. However, James' daughters as well as George Jr. were all born hundreds of miles away in Michigan. So it would seem the brothers were in Michigan from at least 1864-1869ish. Also, the 1880 census reveals Henry UREN was born in England, while his wife was from Wales. It confirms that all their kids were born in PA. Finally, there was another UREN family listed in nearby Catawissa Twp. in Columbia Co. for 1860 & 1870 (use of ">" indicates 1860>1870): Jno.>John, 54>65, farmer, b. England L.>Elizabeth, 40>49, b. PA Jno. Y.(?)>John, 7>16, b. PA So, anybody missing these folks? ~Judy Lynn
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2009 1:22:43 GMT -5
Bearing in mind that the name UREN could be spelt any number of ways I can find only two George URENs in England in the 1841 Census who were born around 1835-1838. At Sithney Sampson UREN, 30, miner Chemima do., 40 Ann do., 7 GEORGE do., 5 Sampson do., 1 (all born Cornwall) At St Mary, Hampshire James UREN, 40, gardener lab., in County Rebecca do., 24, in County Elizabeth do., 19, in County GEORGE do., 5, not in County JAMES do., 3, in County Frederick do., 1, in County The ages of George and James are at least a very close match to those you have described. I cannot guarantee this is the correct family but it is certainly suggestive. By 1851 George is still at Sithney with parents Sampson and Jemima. But the family from Hampshire seems to have disappeared! I also think it possible that James senior (Hampshire) may have been widowed given the difference in age between him (40) and Rebecca (24). James was probably born closer to 1806 and I would think that Rebecca and Elizabeth would be daughters. The large difference then to George (5) and James (3) suggests that they may not be children of James but maybe grandchildren. Interesting. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2009 1:38:22 GMT -5
If the family at Hampshire is that of George and James UREN who turn up in Pennsylvania and Michigan then we can move them back into Cornwall.
A search of IGI for James UREN shows only 22 entries for a baptism between 1803 and 1813 and I would think the most likely would be one of the entries at Gwinear, Lelant, Phillack or maybe St Buryan.
Cannot narrow it down any further at the moment without further information.
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Post by cornishpasty on Apr 26, 2009 8:19:02 GMT -5
Hi Judylynn, How kind of you to post these details for us although you, yourself, have no connection to them. I am particularly interested in ANY and ALL information relating to the UREN surname as I have decided to do a One Name Study and the fact that I am a UREN. ;D I will add all your information to my "piles" of paperwork. ;D I note that you are in Pennsylvania. How interesting because some of my UREN ancestors emigrated to Pennsylvania and Michigan and possibly other States too. I would appreciate anything you find relating to UREN in your corner of the world. Thanks once again for all that information. Regards CP (in a freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezing cold Melbourne, Australia)
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Post by davidkingmartin on Apr 27, 2009 10:34:15 GMT -5
CP: UREN. I "have" in my Tree Grace Uren 1739-1816, St.Ives, married to Richard Martins. Her father: Arthur 1715 Uly Lelant. His father: James 1672 Uly Lelant. Little info. prior to 1672. Are these "your" Uren famly? I can give you the detail on Richard and Grace`s descendants.
David (Martin).
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 27, 2009 18:09:35 GMT -5
Might have a bit more for Cornishpasty concerning Charles Uren who married Mary Ann Mitchell in about 1890. I'll ask....there might be some mileage in looking at the census for either Blackburn or Burnley as I think either Charles or his son known to my lot as "Cousin Charlie" may have been a policeman in one of those two towns. (My mother used to say he was Chief Constable which probably means he was the Edwardian equivalent of a Traffic Warden)
Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 28, 2009 7:35:41 GMT -5
That would be this one:- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JACKSON James Bootle 10b 1099 Jackson Mary Bootle 10b 1099 Mitchell Mary Ann Bootle 10b 1099 Ureh Charles Bootle 10b 1099 Uren Charles Bootle 10b 1099 Ureg Charles Bootle 10b 1099 1901 Census - Millom, Cumberland 66 Newton Street Charles UREN, head, mar, 32, iron ore miner, St Just Mary A do., wife, mar, 31, St Just Bertha do., daur, 7, Millom, Cumberland Mary M do., daur, 6 mths, Millon, Cumberland That looks like them but a quick look couldn't find them in 1891. Hope that helps things along. CT
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 28, 2009 18:58:30 GMT -5
Thanks C.T. That's certainly the correct crowd in Millom. Can't understand the Jackson bit or 'Bootle' Are you saying that Mary Ann married Charles Ureh, Charles Uren and Charles Ureg in Bootle. Seems a bit excessive and what the hangman was she doing in Bootle anyway? Tony M
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Post by londoner on Apr 29, 2009 4:05:25 GMT -5
Dont worry about the Jacksons - just another couple married on the same day. as for the multiple spellings - they obviously couldnt read the registrar's writing and they Lancashire folk dedn know a good old cornish name! As for 1891 they are in Millom - transcribed by A*** as Wren!
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 29, 2009 4:20:28 GMT -5
These Lancashire folk aint the only ones who don't recognise a good old Cornish name. Just tried Googleing Uren Bootle.....what came up was..."Do you mean Urine and Bottle?" Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2009 4:39:21 GMT -5
Seems the folks at Google have a bit of a sense of humour also! Tonoy, as Londoner says there were multiple marriages on the one page and I merely 'cut and paste' the whole entry from FreeBMD. I have no idea whey Mary would be in that area except that she married Charles only a few months before the Census. It would appear that he may have gone there for employment so if they had already planned to be married then that might explain Mary. I have not looked at any other members of either family so don't know if there is anything more there to explain things. Also, Charles was still mining in 1901 so must have taken on those other duties sometime later. CT
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 29, 2009 8:55:30 GMT -5
Bit of a mystery this....Charlie Uren married into my family and so I haven't looked at them in detail at all. Charlie was a miner but the only mines in Bootle, and I live not too far away, also trained there back in the early 70's so I can speak with certainty, are Ken Dodd's 'Jam Butty Mines'.....Thought he might have been employed in the consruction of the several tunnels in the Liverpool area including the rail link between Liverpool and Birkenhead, but that was completed in 1888 (I think) and the road tunnel was not completed until the 1920's
Hmmmmm.
Tony M
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 30, 2009 19:29:16 GMT -5
Might have cracked the 'Bootle' bit......Bootle was a census registration district of Millom in Cumberland, from 1837 to 1939, not the town near Liverpool and the Jam Butty mines. Tony M
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Post by annafhall48 on Feb 3, 2011 18:52:34 GMT -5
Hi judylynn - was just cruising thru var pages on the site, for names in my fam tree and noticed your post @ the Urens of Shamokin PA. Tho the Urens are not prominent members of my tree, they are connected w/Hockings, who are. My father and his kin were from Shamokin, His mother's maternal branch were all Cornish: Bartle/Taylor/Hocking/etc)
As it appears you may live in the Shamokin area, am thinking maybe we could begin to share whatever info we might have in common? I live in WA now, so getting PA info is "a bit" problematic!!! But I have a ton of data from UK
Please reply direct to bananabodhi@wavecable.com as I don't always check this site. Thanks! Anna
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Post by dewdrop960 on Mar 16, 2012 0:40:11 GMT -5
George UREN and Emily FALLS are my great great grandparents; their son Richard was my great grandfather. The younger George UREN was the son of George and Emily. He was born in Michigan but I'm not sure in what town. George and Emily came to the US in 1863. I am assuming that they might have come through Canada since they were first in MI but I am still looking for them there. George Sr was a miner and his son Richard worked for the railroad and, in fact, was killed on the job. There is a newspaper article in Shamokin. My grandmother was Eleanor Jean Uren and she married James Wiliam Zerbey. My mother and her two brothers, Russell Richard Zerbey, Winfield James Zerbey and Elizabeth Edna Zerbey were all born in Shamokin. If you have any additional info on the Uren family to get me further back or if you find anything else locally I would appreciate hearing about it. Dewdrop960@yahoo.com
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