New Member- of the Harvey clan St Buryan & St Just

[mickharvey]

Hi to everyone.

I have just joined and was invited to introduce myself.

I have been researching my family history for several years but only recently traced my direct paternal line. I am of the Harvey clan from St. Just , St Buryan.

However, I have traced the line back to John Hervey 1290 The family were based in Thurleigh, Bedfordshire. My direct line moved to Suffolk between 1410 & 1420 then to Northumberland between 1462 & 1553 before arriving in Cornwall between 1558 & 1562.

Unfortunately the records I have just record that they were born in Cornwall. The earliest record of where is for Abednego Harvey 1650 (spelt Harvye) and that is St Buryan. His children are recorded with the name Harvie. Thomas Harvie 1670 is my direct line and his children are recorded as Harvey.

I have no real evidence of the changes in spelling of the surname between William Hervey1462 and Abednego 1650. The source of this information simply recorded it as Harvey from 1462 onward.

My 2 x Gt Grandfather William Harvey c.1821 left Cornwall to pursue a career as a tutor / teacher. He married Amelia Cullen from Kent and the Census records show that the place of birth of their children was different every 2 years. They ended up in London.

Any further information / detail that any one has knowledge of would be very welcome.

Mick Harvey

[tonymitch]

Hello Mick and welcome...you will find this an interesting, helpful, but above all very friendly board.

There are quite a few of us with 'Harvey' in our line...my crowd heve even incorporated the name as a first name several generations since the name came into the family. (I am currently researching a Samuel Harvey Mitchell who was in the army in the early part of the 20th C)

I too have an couple of Abednegos. One Harvey b 1717 and one Abednego Hall 1786, g-son of Abednego Harvey. Have a look at the St Buryan thread, Leahs married into the Harveys, as did Uren, Paul and of course my lot.

The best thing to do is post specific reuests for help/advice. "...someone (ususally CT) will pick it up. Don't be afraid to contribute to discussions either. Above all....have fun. ;D

Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

What's this Tony - 'dobbed in again!!" ;D

Welcome Mick and, as Tony said, there are people here willing to help - and we do just love members who contribute!

I must profess to have limited knowledge of the HARVEY family although they do turn up now and again.

However I have also done a little work over the years in trying to piece together various families of West Penwith.

And I have gathered a bit of a collection of available PR information also.

From that I can tell you that it would appear anything for St Buryan back beyond 1654 is seemingly lost.

That being the case means other sources need to be checked for any information relating to your family (and any other for that matter).

I do have the family of Abednego in my database but it is largely based on IGI at the moment.

However it does include 'your' Thomas bp. 15th October 1670 at St Buryan son of Abednego and Mary.

Abednego HARVYE m. Mary (maiden name not recorded) at St Buryan 9th July 1670.

My records show that he had a brother, Andrew, who left a Will which was proved 27th October 1713.

** NOTE ** - I have not done enough research on this family to be able to absolutely guarantee I have made the right connection here.

However - Andrew HARVEY was of the Zennor/Towednack area when he wrote his Will 28th February 1712.

Andrew mentioned his brother Abednego in that Will and I have based the relationship on available resources I had at the time.

Andrew also mentioned to daughters - Christian and Mary.

Christian was baptised at Towednack 1st July 1665 (Towednack BT's) but I have no record of baptism for daughter Mary.

Christian HARVEY married William STEVENS 22nd July 1689 at Zennor and she was buried at Zennor 23rd July 1740.

Mary married Matthew MADDERN at Zennor 22nd April 1693.

I also have no record of a marriage for Andrew so am unable to give any clues about his wife.

Hope this is of some help and would welcome feedback from yourself and also other members with closer ties to this family.

Glad to have you aboard

CT

PS - It may be worth noting that, according to what I have found, the youngest son of Abednego was named Andrew and was baptised at St Buryan 21st August 1689.

[Mal]

Alright there!!! There is a certain Harvey aka "dayzevoo" in the USA who was also enquiring about a later Abednego Harvey in this Paul-Newlyn area.... "dayzevoo" where are you?


A'gas dynergh an Penwith Genealogy! Welcome aboard. I have a few Harveys connected to me through the Vingoe family, but not so far back! You are quite lucky to be able to go so far back in time? How did you manage that?

[cornishgirl43]

Hi Mick

I too am a new member, I'm descended from the HARVEYS OF ST BURYAN from my mother's side of the family.

THOMAS HARVEY b 1670 ST BURYAN is my 7th great grandfather and his father ABEDNEGO HARVEY Born 1650 ST BURYAN is my 8th great grandfather, I'm trying to find out who ABEDNEGO'S mother and father are I can't find a baptism for him.

I would be very interested to know which one of THOMAS'S children your descended from and if I can help you in any way just ask.

cornishgirl43

[trewoofe]

Hello cornishgirl4

I'm a Cornish Harvey and it's possible that Thomas is also my 7th great grandfather!

A John Harvey, possible son of Thomas, wife Joan nee Wallish, purchased Trewoofe Farm which is nr Penzance in 1706.

Please contact me on [e-mail]

Thank you

[Cornish Terrier]

I have been working on the Harvey families of Cornwall for much of this year and only just found my way back to this thread. And I wonder if I might have a document that will upset the apple-cart for just about everybody involved in the thread!!

All that is left of this document apparently is the cover sheet. It is an Administration and it is in Latin but the gist of it is as follows:-

Paul 22nd January 1707
Adm. of Thomas Harvey granted to Abednego Harvey his father
"he dyed in Her Majesties Service on board Her Majesties Shipp the Association"

There was a Thomas Harvey wife a wife named Ann (marriage not found but possibly at Sennen for which Parish records prior to 1700 are lost). I presume this is the Thomas being referred to by a number of contributors here as their potential ancestor. If that is the case then it is almost certain he could not have been the son of Abednego Harvey.

For the baptisms of at least two of his children (John 1697 and Mary 1706) and the burial of daughter Anne in 1708 this Thomas was referred to as 'Gent.' or 'Mr.' which, I suppose unless he was a Naval Officer, would seem somewhat strange for a seaman.

That the last child of Thomas and Ann was baptised 18th March 1706/7 is interesting as Thomas son of Abednego Harvey, according to the letters of administration, died sometime in 1707. From that perspective it is possible the husband of Ann and the son of Abednego could be the same man.

Then we have this posted by 'trewoofe':-

A John Harvey, possible son of Thomas, wife Joan nee Wallish, purchased Trewoofe Farm which is nr Penzance in 1706.

John Harvey (husband of Joan Wallish) is one of two John Harvey's I have in my database who could have been the son of Thomas and Ann. I currently have Thomas Harvey's son as the husband of Alice Hoblyne which marriage took place at Sennen in 1722. That John was married thrice and left a Will in 1764 at which time he was 'late of Trevore but now of Penzance'.

Whichever of the two Johns (husband of Joan Wallish or husband of Alice Hoblyne) was the son of Thomas and Ann he could not possibly have been the purchaser of Trewoofe given he would have been aged only 9 in 1706 when that transaction apparently took place. I am yet to find the record of that transaction but it would infer another older John Harvey was involved.

The big question to be answered is whether Thomas son of Abednego Harvey was a bachelor seaman when he died in 1707 or was he perhaps the husband of Ann and, having been referred to as 'Gent.' and 'Mr.' a naval officer.

If I come up with any answers I will be posting them here!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I have been unable to find any reference to a purchase of Trewoofe by the Harvey family in 1706. If anyone has some details or reference numbers and can point me to where I might find these records I would appreciate it.

CT

[donne]

Oct 21, 2023 4:55:28 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Paul 22nd January 1707
Adm. of Thomas Harvey granted to Abednego Harvey his father
"he dyed in Her Majesties Service on board Her Majesties Shipp the Association"


CT

As an historical footnote, Thomas's death could be linked to the famous shipwreck of HMS Association and other vessels which took place off the Isles of Scilly on 22 October 1707 while the fleet was returning from the Siege of Toulon (July/ August 1707). The complete crew of the the Association were lost in the wreck. The date of the admon would fit, assuming it to be Old Style. I've had a look for crew lists but I can't find any names apart from the commanders and a few well-connected individuals.

[spikeharwood]

Just wondering if anyone knows what the "woofe" part of Trewoofe refers to? My paternal grandmother was a Woof with Cornish ancestry.

[Cornish Terrier]

From - forebears.io/surnames/trewoofe

insert This surname may be extinct
Trewoofe Surname Definition:
TREWOOFE: From Trewoofe in Burian; from tre-woof the place frequented by blackbirds (from moelh, in compos. woelk, woof). Hals says the local name Trewoofe signifies "the town or dwelling of ob-yarn, such as the sail spinsters make, in order to be woof, or woven cross the warp in pieces of cloth, stuff, or serges, from whence was denominated a family of gentlemen named Trewoofe, who, out of a mistaken etymology of their name, gave for their arms, in a field, three wolves' heads; whereas try-bleith, try-bleit, is three wolves in Cornish.quote here

CT

[spikeharwood]

Thanks CT. Interesting. Probably no connection with my Woofs who were in the far east - Egloskerry to the border with Devon. Name may have morphed from Ophe.
S

[Cornish Terrier]

I think you may find that Woof was originally WOOLF or WOOLFE for which there hundreds of baptisms in the OPC database for eastern Parishes such as Poughill, Helland, Bodmin, St Enoder, St Columb, Sheviock and others.
From the 1670s they can be found at Kea and then the Redruth/Camborne area.

CT

[zibetha]

Harveys and Trewoofe sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/swc1/swc136.htm

The property seems to have been purchased in sections. As a former escrow officer, I have nightmares about transactions like this.

Zib

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Zib - interesting reading but except for the generalization of the families it is not much help in determining which Harvey was involved or exactly when. Still, every little piece of information/knowledge is useful.

CT