Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2018 15:36:10 GMT -5
Thanks Lannanta, that is helpful. I have found Robert in the 1891 Wales Census where he claimed to be age 44 but there seems to be no death record between then and 1898 that could be for him so it would seem he may be another who ventured away from England.
Yes perhaps he did emigrate. But can we take a sideways step for a moment and consider another Robert Quick in Wales found in the 1901 and 1911 census - and probably died aged 45 years in 1912 (FreeBMD). In 1901 he was said to have been born in Wales but in the 1911 census was said to have been born in St Ives.
Here are the details of his marriage:
5th March 1900 in the Register Office, Bedwelty
Robert Quick, aged 38 years, bachelor, engine fitter (Journeyman) of Bridge Street, Tredegar, son of Robert Quick, deceased, a storekeeper.
Elizabeth Davies, aged 23 years, spinster of Bridge Street, Tredegar, daughter of Henry Davies, a puddler in the steel works.
Witnesses: Charles Davies, Mary James.
His age is interesting because from memory I think he said he was 44 years old in the 1911 census.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 6, 2018 1:35:21 GMT -5
Working on the ages provided you your post this Robert would have been born around 1862-1867 and I have but two Robert Quicks within that time-frame whose father was also Robert. The first of those was the son of Robert Quick and Mary Cornish Badge but he was born at Liskeard in 1860, married in Colorado in 1898 and died in Coloradoin 1907. The second Robert roughly fitting the details was Robert Henry Quick son of Robert Quick and Ann Deeble but he was born in Ballarat in 1864!
This would appear to a candidate for another illegitimate birth with that birth registered under another name.
I have not been able to find this man in any Census …. Including 1911!! With the exception, possibly of 1901 - but that particular entry does not entirely fit with the details you have supplied.
1901 Monmouthshire Tredegar Robert QUICK head married age 38 Locomotive Driver born Cardiff Elizabeth QUICK wife age 25 born Tredegar James QUICK son age 8 born Tredegar Joseph QUICK son age 4 born Tredegar Catherine QUICK daughter age 4 mths born Tredegar
I cannot find birth records for James and Joseph, at least not under the name Quick, but Catherine is registered at Bedwellty in the March Qtr of 1901 with mother's maiden name Davies.
So Robert's age and birthplace appear to have both changed again and we have the added dilemma of sons James and Joseph!
There is a Joseph Henry Davies registered in the March Qtr of 1898 at Bedwellty but no immediate son of a possible birth for James.
You have the correct man in 1901 and he and his family are in the same place in 1911 - Robert aged 44 years from St Ives - a stoker plus wife Elizabeth and children James, Joseph Henry, Catherine, Elizabeth and Mary Ann.
The thing that interested me is that your Robert seemed to disappear about the same time this one appeared.... probably coincidence but maybe not?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 6, 2018 7:30:07 GMT -5
Any wonder I couldn't find them in 1911 .... Ancestry has them transcribed as GUICK.
I see the point regarding Robert Quick but given he married for a second time in 1889 and can be found in the 1891 Census and that no apparent death record for wife Mary Ann appears in the years up to 1905 it seems unlikely it would be the same man.
And why would Robert state his father as Albert Boden Quick in 1889 and then 10 years later decide he was son of Robert Quick storekeeper.
Have you seen original copies of the marriages or just transcripts? If originals then how do signiatures, if any, compare?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2018 1:19:44 GMT -5
Certainly - Robert was born at Liskeard in 1860 the third son of that name born to Robert Quick and Mary Cornish Badge. He married Susan Basha Patten at Colorado Springs, Colorado on 16th January 1898 at which time he was age 38 and Susan age 22. The link for the record in the Colorado, County Marriage Records and State Index, 1862-2006 is:-