A Missing Robert Quick ???

[Cornish Terrier]

Anyone looking for a Missing Robert QUICK born about 1857?

Well - if you happen to find him then please let me know! ;D

HOWEVER - I do now have some clues that might help.

The story starts almost 20 years ago when I was researching part of the TREWHELLA family in Australia.

This discussion could equally belong in the TREWHELLA thread but ...

A descendant of Henry TREVELA (Trewhella var.) m. Jane GRENFELL whom I met about 20 years ago is responsible for this.

George told me that 'a cousin' by name of George BOULTON had come out to Western Australia about 1911.

This 'cousin' was named George BOULTON.

For GANDOLF - - there is also a ROSEWALL connection here. (I will not pursue that because the marriage happened in 1950 and .......

George BOULTON was born (according to my source) in 1895 although the place was unknown.

Parents were John QUICK BOULTON and Mary Matilda TREWHELLA who married in 1886 Penzance R.D.

Mary Matilda was d/o William TREWHELLA and Mary Ann (nee CLATWORTHY) who have been mentioned in other threads.

John QUICK BOULTON was apparently born at Towednack but was baptised 19th February 1868 St Ives Primitive ethodist Circuit.

He was son of Albert BOULTON, sailor, who was born Portsmouth about 1836.

The mother was Catherine QUICK who was baptised St Ives 24th February 1839 d/o Paul QUICK and Mary Ann (nee NINNES).

I have had a lot of difficulty finding more about this part of the family and that is largely due to the various spellings of the name 'BOULTON' which I have now seen as 'BOLTON', 'BOULTEN', 'BOULDEN', BAWDEN', etc.

But I have now managed to find a little more information via the Census records.

Albert BOULTON was a sailor and so, like others we have discussed, just happened to be away on Census night.

Albert BOULTON m. Catherine QUICK 7th January 1860 at St Ives (St Ives OPRs)

In the 1871 Census at Stennack, St Ives

Catherine BOLTON, head, mar, 33, mariner's wife, St Ives
ROBERT Q do., son, 14, farm labourer, St Ives
Joseph H do., son, 10, St Ives
John Q do., son, 3, St Ives

Joseph H married Sarah Ann B Stevens in 1884 but I have yet to work further on that line.

John Q is the man who married Mary Matilda TREWHELLA.

But then we have ROBERT Q to deal with!

Try as I might I could find no record of him other than the 1871 Census.

But then I had another look (after a little rest ) and it suddenly struck me that there was someting 'not quite right' about all of this.

"No Suger Sherlock!" I said to myself - this blighter was born about four years before the marriage of his parents!

I still persisted to no avail until I decided to take another look at the 1861 Census! ;D

Piece: RG9/1590 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 9
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 36 Page: 30 Schedule: 152
Address: Back St.



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
QUICK Mary Ann Head W F 50 Washing Etc. Cornwall - Towednack
BAWDEN Catherine Dau M F 24 Cornwall - St Ives
QUICK James Son U M 18 Farm Labourer Cornwall - St Ives
QUICK Jane Dau U F 16 Cornwall - St Ives
QUICK Mary Ann Dau - F 11 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives
QUICK Robert Son - M 4 Cornwall - St Ives
BAWDEN Albert Sonlaw M M 24 Sailor Hampshire - Portsmouth


And here is Robert QUICK listed as 'son of' the widowed Mary Ann QUICK and he is seven years younger than his next elder sibling. (Of course there may have been others but ... )

In the 1871 Census ROBERT Q BOLTON is now a son of Catherine which means that he was actually the illegitemate son of Catherine.

And that explains why I could not find the blighter in FreeBMD.

But the next problem ......

What happened to this fella after 1871?

There are other aspects of this family that I am having difficulty with but I have at least managed to get this part sorted in some sort of reasonable fashion.

I still cannot find a birthplace for George BOULTON (var.) and I cannot find John Quick or Catherine BOULTON (var.) after 1881.

In fact, I cannot find John Quick BOULTON (var.) at all after 1871!

Unconfuse yourselves from this and I would appreciate comments, thoughts, information etc.

BTW - a daughter of my original informant of this lot was named with the benefit of three Celtic names.

First Christian name was from the Welsh. (O___n)
Second Christian name from the Scots. (F___a)
Surname from the Cornish. (TREWHELLA)

I met her not long after I had met her father George about 20 years ago.

In fact, George actually visited me when he was over on holiday from Western Australia.

CT

[Bonnie]

Hello from Perth Western Australia.

I have just come home from a trip to Cornwall and am now full of curiosity tryikng to find out more about my father's forebears.

My great grand parents were Mary Matilda (Trewhella) and John Quick Boulton. They had 7 children and I am descended from Leonard. You were asking about George. They had a son Adolphus George born 1904 in Wales. Some of these 7 children were born in Cornwall and some in Wales. i know the 7 by the names of:
Bill (presume William), Leonard, Annie, Kitty, George, Albert? and Harriet (known as Em).

Leonard came to Perth with his wife (Lily Newman) in 1929 with 2 sons (I think) and the third son I think was born in Perth. They were Leonard, William John (known as Jack - my dad) and the younest Ronald.
George was here as was i think unlce Bill. Mary was definitely here as is buried here.

Can definitely find out more for you.

Yvonne Starr
Perth
Western Australia

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Yvonne and welcome to Penwith Genealogy.

I would have replied sooner but after completing some work on a couple of earlier queries I wanted to try and catch up on my information before doing so.

I have now found Mary Matilda and the family in the 1891 and 1901 Census although John Quick Boulton was not at home on either occasion.

From FreeBMD I have located birth registrations for the first three children and I think Leonard will be Leonard John although he appeared in the 1901 Census as 'John'.
For Annie and William there are a couple of possibilities but I don't kn ow what other Christian Names they were given.

And I was hunting for George around 1895 as the information I received all those years ago suggested that was about when he was born.

But I concede to your superior knowledge on this one and will now add him as Adolphus George.
And that does make some sense as Mary Matilda had a younger brother named Adolphus James Trewhella who died in New Zealand in 1946.

So the children as I have them now for John Quick and Mary Matilda Boulton are:-

Harriet Emma born Carbis Water, St Ives 1887
Mary Kate born Carbis Water, St Ives 1888
Albert born Penarth, Glamorgan 1890
Annie born Penarth, Glamorgan about 1893
Leonard John born Penarth, Glamorgan 1895
William born Penarth, Glamorgan 1900
Adolphus George born Penarth(?), Glamorgan 1904

You haven't mentioned John Quick Boulton but I can tell you that he died at Perth in 1928.

That is basically all I know about that family so if you are able to fill in complete dates and other information it would be most appreciated.

The Trewhella and Quick families are well in hand now so I can help with just about anything you want to know on those.

But Albert Boulton is a little more difficult. All I have found so far is that he was born at Portsmouth, Hampshire about 1836 son of Joseph and Mary Boulton.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

A slight correction to my last.

Since posting that last message I have had another look at the Census records and it now appears that Albert Boulton's father was married twice.

In 1841 the family was at Portsea Town, Hampshire and Albert's parents were Joseph and Harriet.
By 1851 it appears Harriet had died and Joseph remarried to Mary.

I will try and gather more information ready to hopefully post tomorrow.

Uh-Oh! - here we go again!!

In 1841 Joseph was with wife Harriet.
In 1851 his wife is Mary - clearly recorded in the Census.
In 1861 HARRIET IS BACK!

Something for me to chase tomorrow.

CT

[Bonnie]

Hello again from Perth, Western Australia

I can tell you that Harriet (known to us as Aunty Em) married Mr E (Ted )Baker but had no issue.
Adolphus George (uncle George) remained single

George, Em and Bill and the parents (Mary Matilda and John Quick) were living in Perth as far as I am aware before my grandfather Leonard John and wife Lily (Newman) arrived in September 1929 with their three sons all born in Penarth, Wales.

All those three sons have now passed away.

I am very interested in all the information you have given.

Thank you
Yvonne

[sandraquick]

Hello. I am new to this board - I discovered it via this thread on a google search of some family names and I'm grateful for everything I am learning. I am also descended from the Trewhella family you mention. My great grandmother was Emma Jane Trewhella, daughter of William Trewhella and Mary Ann Clatworthy. She was married to two Cornish men: Simon Thomas Mitchell and Christopher Osborne Quick (known as 'Kit'). The two men sailed for New Zealand on the Hereford in 1877. Emma Jane came out to New Zealand later on, via Australia, and married Simon Mitchell first. As he lay dying of pneumonia in 1891, he asked his friend Kit to look after Emma Jane. Kit did, marrying her and my grandfather is one of their children.

I have recently learnt that Emma Jane's sister Honor Ann also came out to New Zealand, also via Australia. She married William Henry James (I'm not sure where,
it isn't coming up in the New Zealand records) and after he died, she married George Brown. The second marriage was in NZ.

My Dad's elderly cousin has given me some of the story behind these names, and she understands that the sisters went to Australia to cook for family.

I'm also very interested to find a connection between Wales and this part of Cornwall earlier in this thread. Last night Dad's cousin gave me a tiny pin with flowers on it and the name "Penarth" and I've been pondering and researching its significance.

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Sandra and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy.

I am happy you have caught up with us. I know little of Emma Jane's family except for the list of six children I have for her so I will look forward to a chat with you.

Her sister Honor Ann Trewhella married William Henry James in Cornwall in 1877. I have not found the actual marriage but expect that it probably took place in one of the Methodist Chapels in the Penzance area.

As far as I know there was just one child - Adolphus Frederick William James born 28th January 1879 Christchurch and baptised Christchurch Wesleyan 8th October 1879. He married Millicent Bailey at St Albans 8th October 1913.

William Henry James was age 45 when he died in 1901 so would have been born about 1855. I did have a brief look quite some time back but so far have not identified his parents.

There were seven other siblings to Emma and Honor:-

William Martin (1852-1857)
William Martin (1857-1929) - Isles of Scilly
George Henry (1859-1937) - died Torrington, NSW
John (1860-1902 - died Sydney, NSW
Mary Matilda (1865-1937) married John Quick Boulton in 1886 - died Perth, WA
Josephine (1867-1960) married William James Jago Trevaskis - died at Towednack, Cornwall
Adolphus James (1870-1946)

Adolphus also went to New Zealand where he died. As far as I know he never married.

I can fill in more details on these later on.

CT

[sandraquick]

Thanks for your info CT. I have some info to add. I think there is at least one more child born to Honor Ann and William Henry James. Here (http://www.nzwargraves.org.nz/casualties/albert-john-james-22571) is where I found out about an Albert John James with matching parentage who was killed in WW1.

I need to order some death certificates to be sure, but I'm wondering about the youngest brother, Adolphus James Trewhella. My cousin has described visiting Honor Ann as a child and she said there was another son, who never married and who lived with his mother. She said he was called Ridge (emphatically Ridge, not Reg apparently), which may be tricky to trace if it is a nickname rather than legal christian name. But I am now wondering if it was her brother Adolphus rather than her son living with her.

[sandraquick]

In the opening post to this thread is this sentence: "Mary Matilda was d/o William TREWHELLA and Mary Ann (nee CLATWORTHY) who have been mentioned in other threads." I have been searching this board and I am unable to find mention of these people. If anyone can assist, I would be very grateful.

CT here is some information about Emma Jane Trewhella's family. I am taking it from the family history book which my mother researched and made for her children. Emma Jane Trewhella married Simon John Mitchell in Christchurch, NZ 30 July 1890. Simon Mitchell died 1891. They had one son, William Gerald (Gerald) Mitchell, b.1891.

Gerald married Doris Ellen Elizabeth Combs. They did not have children. Gerald died 20 October 1957.

Emma Jane married Christopher Osborne (Kit) Quick in Christchurch 12 April 1892.

Emma Jane and Kit had six children.
1. Robert Garfield, known as Garfield or Gar, b. Kaiapoi which is near Christchurch, 2 April 1893. Garfield died in WW1, 17 April 1917 in Palestine.

2. John Osborne 31 August 1895 - 2 September 1896.

3. Mary Osborne (known as Girlie) 24 April 1897 - 17 July 1980. Girlie married Gordon David Robertson. They had at least four children (Mum has written five but if there are, then one must have died as a child).

4. Emma Josephine b. 25 November 1900 Emma moved to the West Coast of New Zealand and married Edmund Francis Stratford. They had a son and two daughters, one of whom is the cousin who has so much knowledge from her childhood which has helped me on this genealogy journey. Emma died 1 July 1985.

5. Chrisopher John (Jack), Emma's twin. b. 25 November 1900. He married Emmie Muriel Boyce and they had two daughters. Jack died 26 May 1990.

6. Stanley George (Stan) b. 15 October 1903. Stan is my grandfather. He married Dorothy Francis Ann Banks in 1927 and they had two sons and one daughter. Dorothy died in 1951 and Stan remarried to Adelaide (Gladys) Dowthwaite in 1959.

[Cornish Terrier]

I'm also very interested to find a connection between Wales and this part of Cornwall earlier in this thread. Last night Dad's cousin gave me a tiny pin with flowers on it and the name "Penarth" and I've been pondering and researching its significance.

Hi Sandra - if you look at the third post in this thread you will see the list of children born to John Quick Boulton and his wife Mary Matilda Trewhella. Look down that list and you will see that several of the children were born in Penmarth, Glamorgan, Wales.

Mary Matilda was the younger sister of Emma Jane so that will be your connection to Penmarth.

I am not quite sure which other threads William and Mary Ann (Clatworthy) Trewhella were mentioned in. Over the years I have been involved in most threads here so it is difficult to remember specifics, particularly of older conversations.

But most of the information would have come from myself so I can still let you know anything you need.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Sandra - I have just located the birth record for Albert John James in the NZ Birth Indexes.

Registration Number 1885/19435
JAMES Albert John
Mother's Given Name(s) - Annie
Father's Given Name(s) - William Henry

It took me a little while because I was searching using Honor is the name of his mother.

And here are some other possible children for William Henry James:-

1880 - Richard Henry son of William Henry and Ann
1883 - Leonard George son of William Henry and Annie
1887 - Annie Beatrice daughter of William Henry and Annie
1893 - Emma Louisa daughter of William Henry and Annie
1896 - Hilda Mary daughter of William Henry and Ann

That might give you a little more to play with!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

My cousin has described visiting Honor Ann as a child and she said there was another son, who never married and who lived with his mother. She said he was called Ridge (emphatically Ridge, not Reg apparently), which may be tricky to trace if it is a nickname rather than legal christian name. But I am now wondering if it was her brother Adolphus rather than her son living with her.

The list of children in my last post now gives us something to think about regarding the son mentioned in your quote above. And the name that sticks out as being most likely to attract the nickname 'Ridge' would be Richard Henry.

I have not tried to look for any death records for these children but I think it more likely that the initial quote was correct and that it was a son rather than Honor's brother Adolphus who was living at home.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

Anyone looking for a Missing Robert QUICK born about 1857?

Well - if you happen to find him then please let me know! ;D

Did you ever find this Robert Quick after 1871?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Indeed I did!

Robert Quick married Susan Geen Harry at Halsetown 6th September 1881. Robert was a laborer age 23 living at Trenwith in Halsetown and named his father as 'Albert BODEN', sailor. Susan Harry was also living at Trenwith and was age 19, daughter of John Harry, labourer.

I only have one children from the marriage - Elizabeth Catherine Quick born 14th February 1882 at Halsetown and baptised 3rd December 1884 at St Ives. She married William Henry Symons at the Redruth Register Office 26th March 1898.

Another detail I don't think had been located at the time of the earlier posts:-

Robert son of Catherine Quick of St Ives was baptised 1st June 1857 at St Ives, privately.

Checking the database again and the reason for only one child is that Susan Quick was buried at Barnoon 2nd March 1884 'wife of Robert Quick of St Ives age 22'. I don't have anything noted for Robert after this so I am not sure if I ever tried to pursue him further.

CT

[Glazin2018]

CT

When his first daughter Elizabeth Catherine married in 1898 she stated that her father Robert was deceased so he is dead prior to 1898 as far as she knew.

However this is him in 1889:

Marriage on the 19th October 1889 in the Register Office, Swansea, Glamorgan.
Robert Quick, aged 35 years, widower, tin worker at tin works, resident at Bannon Street, Morriston, Llangafelach, son of Albert Bowden Quick, a market gardener.
Mary Ann Thomas, aged 34 years, widow, resident at Bannon Street, Morriston, Llangafelach, daughter of David Edwards (deceased), a mason.
Witnesses: William Joseph, Sophia Joseph, her mark.

Mary Ann Thomas already had two children by her first marriage.

Lannanta