Bryants from Lelant (Part 2)

[georgec]

Hi just found this site. Have been working on my family history and found that most of my family worked in and around lelant and at Vorvas Downs? and also a Priscilla Boundy (nee Bryant) and William Boundy had a shop in Lelant any one know were this could have been. Thanks all the best George

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi George and WELCOME to the site.

Is it the location of Vorvas Downs or the shop you are looking fore?

I do not know about the shop but I should be able to locate Vorvas Downs for you when I dig out my maps of the area.

Let me know and will see what I can do.

As for your family - please let me know in the relevant section (sounds like LELANT LEANINGS might be the spot) what queries you have and we can start to work on things with/for you.

[georgec]

Hi thanks for the reply. My Grandfather Richard Henry Bryant on his birth certificate 26 Dec 1882 says Vorvas Downs Uny Lelant. His father was Matthew M Bryant a Tin Miner and his Mother was Annie Bryant (nee Martin) All the best George:)

[Cornish Terrier]

OK - let me see what I can find here and then look at some possible clarifications.

1881 Census - Vorvas Downs, Uny Lelant

Matthew Bryant, head, mar, 28, tin miner, bn. St Ives
AMY Bryant, wife, mar, 29, bn. St Ives
Mary C Bryant, daur, 6, bn. Uny Lelant
Margret J Bryant, daur, 4, bn. Uny Lelant
Amy Bryant, daur, 2, bn. Uny Lelant

I cannot, at the moment, find any of this family in the 1891 Census.

Going back prior to when Matthew would have been married I have found the following which I believe will be your Matthew Bryant.

1871 Census - Balnoon, Lelant

John Bryant, head, mar, 46, formerly blacksmith, Lelant
Margaret Bryant, wife, mar, 44, Towednack
John Bryant, son, unm, 20, tin miner, St Ives
Matthew Bryant, son, unm, 18, tin miner, St Ives
Catherine F Bryant, daur, unm, 16, rope spinner, St Ives
Thomas M Bryant, son, unm, 13, works at tin stamps, St Ives
James H Bryant, son, unm, 11, works at tin stamps, St Ives
Job M Bryant, son, unm, 9, scholar, St Ives
Welmot M Bryant, daur, 7, scholar, St Ives

It would appear this is your family but I would like confirmation before I try to go much further - especially as I cannot find them in 1891.

The following St Ives Marriage looks like the one for the couple of the 1871 Census above:-

31 Jan 1850 by Banns
John Bryant 24 bachelor Labourer of St. Ives (Father: John Bryant, Labourer)
Margaret Michell Berriman 23 spinster of St. Ives (Father: William Berriman, Miner)
Witnesses: Wm. Richards, Thomas Williams

And this might be where the 'M' came into the family as a middle initial/name.

Would appreciate if you could fill in a couple more details to add to what you have given already.

I think the above will give you some ideas of what I need but would like you to look at this stuff first so we do not get too confused.

There seem to be a few connections involved here that will be worth checking into but let's get this little scenario sorted first.

[georgec]

Hi yes you have the family.

John Bryant in the 1871 Census is the son of John
Bryant=Priscilla Bryant (nee Scaddon).

The John Bryant above is
the son of George Bryant = Christian Victor m 3 Nov 1798 St Uny
Lelant.

The Priscilla Bryant (nee Scaddon) is the daughter of Henry Scaddan = Elizabeth Bennetta m 6 Jun 1781 Gwinear. ( And that is as far as I have gone back sofar.)

1841 Census - Uny Lelant

John Bryant, head, mar, 35 Farmer, Uny Lelant
Priscilla Bryant, wife, mar, 35, Gwinear
*John Bryant, m,16 Uny Lelant
Elizabeth Bryant, f, 13, Uny Lelant
Cathrine Bryant, f, 11, Uny Lelant
Lavinia Bryant, f, 9, Uny Lelant
Priscilla Bryant, f, 7, Uny Lelant
Thomas Bryant, m, 5, Uny Lelant
Caroline Bryant, f, 4, Uny Lelant
Fanny Bryant, f, 18m, Uny Lelant

1851 Census - Uny Lelant

John Bryant hd, m, 49 Agricultural Labourer, Uny Lelant
Priscilla Bryant, wi, m, 52, Gwinear
Elizabeth Bryant, da, u, 23, Uny Lelant
Lavinia Bryant, da, u, 19 Schoolmistress, Uny Lelant
Priscilla Bryant, da, u, 17, Assistant at the National School, Uny Lelant
Thomas Bryant, so, u, 14 Agricultural Labourer, Uny Lelant
Fanny Bryant, da, 10 Scholar, Uny Lelant
Richard H Bryant, so, 8, Scholar, Uny Lelant

I hope this may help.

Thanks for the reply All the best George

[Cornish Terrier]

G'day George,
Thanks for that reply and I will now see what more can be done.

But first - I think it is time for this discussion to be moved to a new area of the Board.

Will ask Zenobia to do so but I am not really sure just yet where it should go.

We could move to Lelant or St Ives - or, perhaps, start a BRYANT thread in the Surnames Of Interest section.

Will leave that to Zenobia.

Meanwhile, I will take a look at your latest and add anything further tonight into this thread.

[Cornish Terrier]

The following from the 1881 Census belongs here, I believe:-

Dwelling: Lelant Village Or Town
Census Place: Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England
Source: FHL Film 1341562 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2340 Folio 64 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William BOUNDY M 44 M St Agness, Cornwall, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Grocer
Priscilla BOUNDY M 46 F Lelant
Rel: Wife
Occ: Grocers Wife
Priscilla BRYANT W 83 F Gwinear
Rel: Step Mother
Occ: Chirrer


Priscilla Boundy being the daughter of John and Priscilla BRYANT.

The Marriage would be:-

Lelant

8 Aug 1863 by License
William Boundy full age draper Camborne (father: Richard Boundy, miner)
Priscilla Bryant full age Uny Lelant (father: John Bryant, laborer)
Witnesses: Lavinia Bryant, Richard Nicholls

I expect Lavinia Bryant would have been the elder sister of Priscilla.

And the above Census record also shows that Priscilla Bryant (83) was born at Gwinear about 1798.

To quote a song by Linda Ronstadt - "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me"

Whilst trying to work through information for you I had forgotten to check some variant spellings.

John Bryant, labourer, married Priscilla SCADDON at Lelant 11th December 1824

I had no parents listed for either of them but I did have the following:-

John s/o John and Priscilla BRYANT bp. Lelant 18th May 1825 (from the Lelant PR)

This John married Margaret Michell BERRYMAN at St Ives 31st January 1850 and he died sometime before 1881.

Margaret Michell BERRYMAN was born at Towednack about 1826 and was the daughter of William BERRYMAN and Wilmot MICHELL who were married at Towednack 6th January 1823.

I had the last four chlldren of John and Margaret in my database - Thomas M, James H, Job M and Wilmot. (Thomas born Towednack and the last three at St Ives)

Moving back in time.

The mother of Priscilla Scaddon (Elizabeth BENNETTA) is more likely to be BENNETTS with an error in transcription having occurred. (The other alternative is BONNETTO but I have thought for years that this has also been an error).
(I will log the name as 'Bennetts' for now)

I need to now skip back to the John BRYANT who married Priscilla SCADDON.

It would appear that this John is the following:-

BRYANT~John~Bur. 7 Jul 1870 Uny Lelant; age 68; B. abt 1802; of Lelant Town~

As for John's parents.

I note you mention he was son of George BRYANT and Christian VICTOR who married at Lelant in 1798.

Phillimore & Taylor records the names as follows:-

George BRYANT, w, lab., & Catherine VICTOR

(Bear in mind that Catherine and Christian were often interchangeable names.)

So George was already widowed.

Now we have a dilemma.

Will throw this back to you for now.

[georgec]

Hi

As far as I can find out the SCADDONS were originally from Ludgvan. The first to move to Gwiner was a Henry SKADAN (SCADDON) b1569, m Sarah DREW 1618 at Ludgvan. They later moved to Gwinear where he was known as a Yeoman.

Henry SCADDON=Elizabeth BENNETS m 6 June 1781
Henry and Elizabeth had 11 children

William b 1781
Henry b 1782
Frances b1789
Phillip b 1791
Elizabeth b 1793
John b1794
Jennifer b1795
Thomas b1797
*Priscilla b1799
William b1800
James b1804


I have found out that in the Eastern Cemetery at Lelant is a grave (number 171)

Priscilla BOUNDY (BRYANT) died on the 19 July 1857 age 54
William BOUNDY 1858 name on grave inscription but not buried there.

I have not had time to see this yet but hope to soon.

As for George BRYANT and Catherine VICTOR

This is as far as I have got. I know nothing of this family only that his son John BRYANT m Priscilla SCADDON

hope this is a little help

[Cornish Terrier]

That's OK mate - we can work from here.

If my information is correct then we need to look for a prevous marriage for George and see what transpires from there.

I have found out that in the Eastern Cemetery at Lelant is a grave (number 171)

Priscilla BOUNDY (BRYANT) died on the 19 July 1857 age 54
William BOUNDY 1858 name on grave inscription but not buried there.

This creates a problem and I need you to confirm the Burial Date.

If 1857 is correct then the information I just supplied does not match at all.

Confirmation please and I will work from there as I can.

[georgec]

Hi

Just to day Sat I received the death certificate (after 3 weeks) for,

Priscilla BOUNDY and the date of death is, 19 JULY 1889,

Age 52 wife of William BOUNDY grocer.

William BOUNDY was present at the death in Lelant Town.

Registered 22 JULY 1889.

And as for the info about the grave number 171.

I will have to go to find it and check that the info I got from the net is correct. Just goes to show that you cant believe every thing you get from the net.

I have also found that Priscilla BOUNDY may have left a will Probate date 1891.

And also a will for Priscilla BRYANT Probate date 1888.

But I have no Idea how to go about getting them.

In the Directories for Lelant I have found:

Priscilla BOUNDY 1873 Shopkeeper .Kellys

William BOUNDY 1878 Grocer. Harrods

William BOUNDY 1883 Shopkeeper. Kellys

Thanks for your help so far just shows to heads are better then one HA HA ;D

[Cornish Terrier]

A little help for you.

Just checked my data from the Lelant OPR which confirms that Priscilla died 19th July 1889, age 54.

William is, of course, recorded on the same grave but that is probably because his wife was recorded as 'wife of William Boundy'.

And you are correct - More than one head can be very beneficial in these situations.

As for your Wills and Probates - I would be thinking that the information you require should be found at Somerset House in London.

All Wills from 1858 should be kept there (unless there has been another change that I am unaware of).

I am not sure if they have anything online but I suggest you try checking the Internet for "Somerset House" as a starting point.

Hopefully, if this does not elicit what you want, one of our other members might be able to give us some further guidance.

Let me know how you fare and I will do my best to help further.

I am looking at limited availability soon because of moving house but will continue to do my best for you.

[georgec]

Thanks for your help. If you come across Vorvus Downs in your maps or any info on George BRYANT let me know and I will do the same for you.

Good Luck moving House

G

[Cornish Terrier]

Will try and dig out my Map to find Vorvas Downs for you asap.

George Bryant might be a little more difficult but I am confident we will find him.

As for moving house

Found out today that the place I was to move into has been 'rented out from under me'

Will possibly need a reminder about Vorvas Downs so please do not hesitate to send me a PM.

I know where my maps are - just a matter of removing stuff sitting on the box they are in so that I can get at them.

But I will do it for you.

[georgec]

Hello

Have just found some info on the House in Lelant called Boundy House.

info from Maxwell Adams: [a href="http:Lelant./info"]http:Lelant./info[/u][/a]
re Boundy House.

At the bottom of Abbey Hill is Boundy House, The big window is where the shop was and to the right where there is now a frosted window was the shop door, the other frosted window was the post box.

This may be where Priscilla and William BOUNDY had there shop !

Also have found that John Bryant and his family lived at the Brewery in Lelant in 1851.

Any one any idear where this is or was.

[cornishmaid]

Wow, how interesting. I guess you've already seen the following on the same site, but just in case:

lelant.info/brewery.htm

There is a reference to Station Hill, which can be found on:

www.multimap.com/maps/#t=l&map=50.18408,-5.43909|18|4&loc=GB:50.1841:-5.43974:14|lelant|Lelant,%20Saint%20Ives,%20TR26%203

There is also a Brewery Hill in Lelant on the same map, which may indicate general locality. Will ask my dad if he knows where the Brewery may have been. I was assuming it was in the location of the present day Badger Inn at Lelant, but having read Maxwell Adams information I am in two minds about this.

Not very helpful I know, but will advise if I find anything further.

Oh, by the way, Vorvas Downs is in the middle of Lelant/Carbis Bay area. My gran and grandad (Craze) lived at Vorvas Farm. (Also spelt Worvas).