Sancreed families 16-17th century

[Mal]

I am hitting brickwalls with two Sancreed lines

Mann-Baynard, can tenuously get as far as a Robert Baynard in about 1580 and then it stops, the earlier Baynards, including "Roberts" are from out of county. Any info?


I am also stuck with a William Davye of Sancreed who would have been born around 1630-ish. There are earlier Davyes at Sancreed, but no William. It's frustrating because the timing suggest 2 out of 3 possibles. William marries Penelope() I can find no marriage but I do find the baptism of their daughter Elizabeth in 1672 to both William and Penelope. Another one of those nearly but not quite ones... There is also an early will about 1618 with a William Davye as witness and few Davye benefactors from a Daniell. Could this be my William's father perhaps?

The spelling of "Davye" is fairly consistant in the Sancreed records. Otherwise it might be over to St Erth, for which I have no hard proof.

[white]

I have this Penelpe as Penelope Ladner bapt.8 feb 1637-8 to Tristram and Emblinge.
No marriage date found though, Roy

[Mal]

Hi White, check this out:-
There appears to be some confusion in the records here, taken from Sancreed parish registers I have found Ladner and Buskare/Bulkarne.

Was this Tristren perhaps Tristren Ladner from Buscarne, which may in turn be Boscawen? The name Boscinnen also appears on the 1569 Muster Rolls for Sancreed, the only example I can find of a name "similar enough" to Buskarne!!!!

From the Sancreed parish records I have:
Penelopie, d of Tristren Buskarne & Emblinge, 8th Feb 1628, Melson, d of Tristern Bulkarn & Emlinge, 2nd Sept 1627,

William, s of Tristram Ladner & Emme, 6th Mar 1634, John, s of Tristram Ladner & Embline, 14th Nov 1636,
Adama, d of Tristram Ladner & Eme, 30th May 1642,

Hypothesis 1) This is a mere coincidence

Hypothesis 2) Perhaps Tristram was Tristram Ladner of Buskarne/Buscinnen or even Bulkarne. This in turn may be a corruption of Boscawen(?).

Hypothesis 3) Are we perhaps dealing with an "alias", i.e. Tristram Ladner alias Buskarne or vice versa?

As for the Emma/Emblyn names, can't find them anywhere.

Curious this one? What do you reckon?

[white]

Malcolm,
I do not think it can be a coincidence.
Hypothesise 2 and 3 look much more acceptable.
I am a bit annoyed with myself as I cannot recall where I got the marriage form. Obviously not on the prs or Phillimores. Also the date I have looks suspect.
Lets hope some further items turn up to assist with this.
Roy

[Mal]

I had no luck finding a marriage either... perhaps it was one we deduced by the births of the children...?

[lipkatatar]

Re. Tristram Ladner / Buskarne.

I see that there is a will for Tristram Ladner (died 1670/71) in the Cornwall Record Office. Has anyone seen this as it should clear up the identity of Tristram ?

Boscarne was a manor in Bodmin Parish, so this may be the place where Tristram originated from.


If anybody requires it, a list of manors cross-referenced to parishes compiled by the Cornish Records Office is available online:

dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1970851

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Lipkatatar - that List of Manors is a very useful addition to my collection of Cornwall material.

I have taken another look but still unable to find a possible marriage for Tristram and Emblin but there were other Ladners around Sancreed at the time who may or may not have been related.
Although it certainly should be investigated I would be reluctant to jump to Bodmin for the answer. As Mal suggested - Boscarne/Buskarne could be a bastardisation of Boscawen and the Manor of Boscawen Rose was in adjacent St Buryan.

From there it should be noted that registers for St Buryan prior to 1654 are lost and there are also no Bishops Transcripts prior to 1653. The nearby Parishes of Sennen and St Levan also have no existing registers or BTs prior to 1699.

Wills for Sancreed and St Buryan, and possibly Sennen/St Levan, are probably the best place to look for possible connections.

As a matter of interest - Adama Ladner (bp. 1642 to Tristram) married Solomon Cock at Gulval 18th January 1666.

CT

[cross1]

Hi I'm looking for anyone with information about the Osborne family. My great x6 grandfather was born in Sancreed his name was Richard Osborne I believe that his father may have John but I don't know can any one ehlp please.
Cross1

[trencrom]

May 15, 2019 23:58:49 GMT -5 cross1 said:

Hi I'm looking for anyone with information about the Osborne family. My great x6 grandfather was born in Sancreed his name was Richard Osborne I believe that his father may have John but I don't know can any one ehlp please.
Cross1

Please supply more info about your Richard, such as dates, spouse name, children's names and how you know that he was born in Sancreed. What records have you looked at thus far?

Trencrom

[cross1]

Hi Trencom, Richard was born in 1804 in Sancreed to John and Jane (Bramble) Osborne. Richard married Sarah (Sally) Richards on 30th Dec 1828. Their children were: Jane born 1829, Richard born 1831, Sarah born 1836, Mary born 1839, William born 1841, Susan born 1843, John born 1844,Joseph born 1847, Humphrey born 1849, Eliza born 1851 and Charles born 1853. Richard and Sarah lived and worked on a farm called Westmoor out from St Buryan which I believe was leased to them for 99 years. Richard is my great great grandfather his son Charles is my great grandfather. I have found Charles and his family here in Australia. I am now looking for Richards parents and their parents. John Richards father I think Johns parents were also John and Jane (Oliver) but I can't find any information on them. Nearly all the information I have is either from Ancestory or OPC's records from the parish's.
Hope you can help thanks.
cross1.