VIVIAN family

[getafish460]

Hi There!

I might be a bit late in finding this thread, but would like to make my contribution, if it is of any help

included within my family records are the following that may be of intrest

Sarah (sometimes sarath) VIVYAN (bpt 21/12/1724 in Camborne) was married to John CARPENTAR (bpt. 14/8/1708 in Illogan). they were married in Illogan on 12/4/1740.
Sarah(th) was the daughter of Francis Vivian (bpt 23/1/1697 bd.20/4/1774) and his wife Christian Thomas, who were married in 1718

Francis was the son of Staphen Vivian (bpt.25/1/1668 d.8/8/1733) and his wife Sarah (surname not known)

as far as i can ascertain, Stephen was the son of John Vivian of Roskear and thereafter decending within the Trelowarren line all the way back to 1174.

There are some intresting folks and stories along the way, the likes of which would fill a few episodes of Dallas.

Any links or further info along the way would make intresting reading and any help i can afford is gladly given

Kind regards

Ted Carpenter ;D

[junket]

I am so sorry for the delay in replying.

We have become first time grandparents and the last 2 years, we have been in London looking after our grandson, whilst his parents worked. He is now at Nursery and we are back home ( and back with my PC ) and I can continue with my research.

I had not made any progress, but now with this new information, it looks as if I may.

Thank you.

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome back Junket!

I expect you will be busy from now on?

CT

[junket]

Thank you CT.

I have found Stephen on the Visitations, under Vivian of Roskear.

Stephen, 7th son, bap 25 6 1667/8, named in his father's will, bur 8 8 1733, Camborne.

No further details.

I found a tree online, which gives Stephen marrying Sarah Unknown, Camborne 25 11 1690.

Son Stephen baptised April 19, 1692, Camborne ( FreeReg. have this Baptism )
Stephen ,marries Jone JOHN, December 21, 1706, St Mewan.

With this note under the marriage details .......

Following on the notes under Stephen's father, this Stephen seems to be the only candidate for husband of Jone John, despite having been a minor at the time, a fact which does cast doubt on the St. Mewan-Camborne connection. Based on proximity, a stronger possibility is that the Stephen who married Jone John belonged to the St. Austell branch of the Vivian family. However, for the moment this line will remain attached to the Camborne Vivians, understanding that it is questionable.

So I am back to my original dilemma .... Did Stephen marry aged 14

[Cornish Terrier]

So I am back to my original dilemma .... Did Stephen marry aged 14

I would suggest that although I think it might have been legal at that time it would be highly unlikely.
And the fact that St Mewan borders St Austell suggests that the Stephen married at St Mewan in 1706 is more likely a native of that area.

Perhaps you need to look more at the St Austell family to see where that Stephen might belong. You need to at least see if it is possible to eliminate him from the equation.

CT

[junket]

Like you, I don't think it's him, although legal, my instinct says no, until proven otherwise.

Looking at St Mewan baptisms on FamilySearch, there are

John
William
George
Richard
Stephen
VIVIANs fathering children between 1680 and 1726

I'm also looking for Jone JOHN's Baptism.

I'm using Cornwall OPC searchable database
FreeReg
FamilySearch
Ancestry
and FMP


Are there any other sites, please ?

[Cornish Terrier]

Are there any other sites, please ?

I think you pretty much have them covered. If anything is transcribed you should find it among those but you have to realise that parish records go back only so far and how far back varies from parish to parish.
St Mewan registers begin at 1693 so anything you are finding from 1680 will be from the Bishops Transcripts of which there are two sets - Exeter Transcripts cover 1607-1692 and Bodmin 1682-1773.
Although it looks complete the BTs do not necessarily cover all years and there can be gaps of two or more years between records.

I guess you are aware that there are two other marriages at St Mewan for Steven Vivian - 1622 and 1627? One is of the parish of Creed which is not far from St Mewan but there appears to be nothing in either to tell whether there were widowers involved. it might be something to follow up on though.

CT

[junket]

Thank you CT.


I am in the process, of making a database of Vivians, in the hope that it might help.

[Cornish Terrier]

And don't forget alternates such as VYVYAN.

The spreadsheet is a good idea and should help you keep track of things and you can include brief details of where you find information as well.
I think I have mentioned Wills before but here is a reminder just in case. Don't restrict yourself to just 'Vivian' Wills but keep an eye out for references to the name in Wills of other people.

CT

[junket]

Thank you for the reminder, CT.

I hasve not had much experience with Wills so might need some help or advice, in the future.

I have been looking at witnesses mentioned on Marriage entries, looking for possible family connections.

Whilst helping OH the other day with his family, I came across Godparents mentioned on a Baptism entry. I'd settle for a Mother's name, but extra information, is always a benefit.

There is Vivian activity in St Eval, with Stephen being a popular name.

I am remembering the variants of Vivian.

[Cornish Terrier]

St Eval is up on the north coast near Padstow and roughly NNW of St Mewan so that might well be worth investigating further.
I am not greatly familiar with the Vivians so I don't know if Stephen is a common family name. But it would be worth spending a little time trying to find out.

In the Quick family Israel is a not totally uncommon name but I discovered a couple of years back that with the exception of one in the USA every Israel Quick I found could be traced back in a direct line to Francis Quick of Towednack.
Because there were a number of occasions where first cousins with the Quick surname married the direct line sometimes traced back via the female but there was certainly direct lineage there.

It would be interesting see if there might be something similar with the Vivians.

CT

[donne]

How far back do you want to go? There is quite a lot of mention of the VYVYAN family in medieval documents, patent rolls etc, some of which are available at sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/ . While searching for St Erth connections I came across the following extract from a patent roll of Henry VI which may be of interest. It was a judgement given at Westminster dated 16 Oct 1441 as follows: 'Pardon to ... Joan, late the wife of Adam Vyvyan of Erth, co. Cornwall, 'wedowe', and executrix of his will for not appearing before [the local justices] to answer John Germyn touching a plea that she render 60s'. Could point to a St. Erth origin for the family rather than Camborne though the parishes are next door to one another.