Kneebone / Glasson

[lelant]

My ancestors include Joseph Kneebone (b abt 1753) and Honor Glasson (b ?), son Francis Kneebone (b abt 1783), Joseph, Honor, Thomas.


Joseph snr and Francis were cordwainers of Marazion. I wonder if anyone knows of their ancestry, or if they had any other children.

[Deleted]

Hello Lelant

It is a long weekend here in New Zealand so I am just about to have a sleep and then off for a weekend of sun and debauchery ;D

Honor Glasson was baptised 2/2/1763 at Ludgvan, daughter of William Glasson and Honour Wallish. She was buried at Ludgvan on the 26th December 1792.

William Glasson, the husband of Honour Wallish, was the son of Thomas Glasson and Susanna Trounsen, both of whom died at Madron.

Finally Thomas was the son of John Glasson and Honor Perry, and really this is as far as anybody has successfully traced this Glasson line.

There are lots more sons and daughters but hopefully this is a good start for you.

Lannanta

[londoner]

And if you look in the St Buryan Board you will see a lengthy discussion about the origins of Honour Wallish

[Cornish Terrier]

Honor d/o William and Honor GLASSON - that looks a little better to me.

I had a bit of a foray into the KNEEBONE family just to see how things sit in the St Hilary area and the only Honor there who could have been old enough was baptised in 1764 d/o Stephen and Alice.

That did not seem to it at all.

As per my reply in the Welcome thread I am currently of the opinion that Joseph KNEEBONE was probably bp. at Crowan in 1756 s/o Thomas and Prudence.

With Henry KNEEBONE turning up at a similar time at St Hilary and also with Ludgvan connections I consider them possibly brothers.

Henry s/o Thomas and Prudence was bp. at Crowan in 1754.

Question - do we have sufficient proof that Honor d/o William and Honor GLASSON married Joseph GLASSON?

CT

[lelant]

Very helpful, thanks.
Am I right in thinking that (Lannanta) you have a link to Lelant, as well as being descended from the Glassons? Wonderful country, NZ, I had the privilege of a short (only one week, hardly time to get over jetlag) visit there 7 years ago.

And (CTerrier) I do wonder, being new to all this, what actually constitutes "proof". I will later be investigating a better-known family, Carne of St. Columb Minor. The family have a written tree linking them back to the middle ages.

Cheers again

[Cornish Terrier]

In this particular case 'proof' would probably constitute a Will which identifies Honor as being wife of Joseph Kneebone.

(Hope I have that right as working 'top-of-the-head' at the moment in an effort to get a few replies in before bed.

Don't know where I will be over the next few days with these fires going so .....

Will try and get right on top of things once everything has quietened down here.

[glorydee]

I came across this post when I was researching Honor (or Honour) Glasson who married John Johns in Ludgvan on 29 June 1791. I originally had her as the one who was baptised 22 Sept 1764 a daughter of Stephen Glasson and Alice Perry. Then I found a couple of trees that had her, rather than the Honor baptised 2/2/1763, and daughter of William and Honor, as being the one who married Joseph Kneebone. Further checking shows a few of both - with each of the two Honor Glassons variously shown as marrying either John Johns or Joseph Kneebone.

I though I was pretty safe with Honour, wife of John Johns, also being a daughter of Stephen and Alice as, although the OPC entry doesn't show either of the fathers' names, one of their witnesses was a Stephen Glasson and they named their first four sons John, Thomas, Stephen and William, in that order. The marriage record for Honor Glasson and Joseph Kneebone has one of the witnesses as William Glasson, although again, no fathers' actual names so that5 seemed to do it for me.

However, is there any way of sorting this out with some certainty?

[glorydee]

I forgot to mention that the Honor Glasson bp 22 Sept 1864 and daughter of Stephen and Alice, was baptised in St Hilary while the one mentioned in your post was in Ludgvan. However, the Honor Glasson who married John Johns, did so in Ludgvan in 1791. I have no idea of how close these places may be to each other so having those different place names in the baptisms may not be relevant.

[Cornish Terrier]

Ludgvan and St Hilary are actually adjoining Parishes which makes it rather unhelpful in distinguishing between the two Honor Glassons. But there are other ways to solve the problem.

First thing I would consider is that a Stephen Glasson witnessed the marriage to John Johns. Fortunately Stephen signed his own name as did Stephen Glasson when he married Alice Perry in 1759. A comparison of the signiatures shows that while there are differences there are certainly enough similarities in the signiatures from 1759 and 1791 to indicate they were probably made by the same person.

Second point is with the families of the two Honor Glassons. On the one hand we have Honor daughter of Stephen and Alice with a brother Stephen in the family as well. The younger Stephen signed with a mark when he married Martha Oats at Gwinear in 1794 but importantly we have two Stephen Glassons directly related to Honor.
On the other hand we have Honor daughter of William and Honor Glasson who had no brother named Stephen although she did have an uncle of that name. In fact that uncle was the husband of Alice Perry and, therefore, father of our first Honor Glasson above!

But I think our best clue lies in the children of John and Honor Johns. You have already pointed out that they named a son Stephen but have you considered the other children?
First son of John and Honor Johns was named John, obviously for his father.
Next child was a son named Thomas Glasson Johns. With the two potential fathers being Stephen or William it is likely this was the name of a brother. William and Honor had no son of that name but Stephen and Alice certainly did.
The remaining sons were named William and Robert which tends to indicate that Stephen may have been Honor's father. I do not yet know the parentage of John Johns but Stephen is not a name I can associate with the Johns families prior to this.

The biggest clue, in my opinion, is with the names of the daughters - and there were but three! First daughter was named Jenefair which I suspect may have been the mother of John Johns and she was followed by three daughters who were given the name of their mother Honor.

The last child was named Alice Glasson Johns and, combined with a son named Stephen, I think there is sufficient evidence to suggest that the Honor Glasson who married John Johns was the daughter of Stephen and Alice.

And that then indicates that the wife of Joseph Kneebone was probably the daughter of William and Honor.

CT

[glorydee]

Once again you have made everything much clearer and were able to add further information. What had further muddied the waters is that It appears that Stephen and William may have been brothers, both sons of Thomas and Susanna. William was baptised in Madron 27/12/1723 and Stephen, (named after an earlier sibling 1725-1729) was also baptised in Madron 1/1/1730. If this is correct, both Honor Glassons would therefore have ben first cousins.

The tradition of naming children after relatives gets even more confusing when the parents of those different families of children are often siblings. When the other tradition of naming children after their deceased siblings gets into the mix, it can be horrendous.

With the information you've provided I'm therefore going to put Honor Glassson bp 22/9/1763 as the wife of John Johns and Honor Johns bp 2/2/1763 as the wife of Joseph Kneebone. All good.

[glorydee]

Ooops, sorry, Honor Glasson bp 22/9/1764 married John Johns and Honor Glasson bp 2/2/1763 married Joseph Kneebone.

[Deleted]

With the information you've provided I'm therefore going to put Honor Glassson bp 22/9/1763 as the wife of John Johns and Honor Johns bp 2/2/1763 as the wife of Joseph Kneebone. All good.

That is how I have it as well and I think that as CT made the point - the giveaway is the daughter named Alice Glasson JOHNS.

Next child was a son named Thomas Glasson Johns. With the two potential fathers being Stephen or William it is likely this was the name of a brother. William and Honor had no son of that name but Stephen and Alice certainly did.

CT the use of Thomas is likely to be linked to Honor's grandfather - Thomas Glasson.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

CT the use of Thomas is likely to be linked to Honor's grandfather - Thomas Glasson.

That would make sense - but my post to that point was becoming dangerously close to being confusing so ................

CT