BARKER of St Erth & Gwinear

[kerthen]

Following over from the TREMELLEN thread, which involved the PELLAR/PELLOWs, I would like to bring up the BARKERs who seem to have come from Gwinear to St Erth in the mid-18th century.

In particular I am interested in establishing the family of William BARKER who married Jane PELLAR/PELLOW, bap 1748 St Erth, daughter of John PELLAR/PELLOW and Anne(prob. nee KING, widow of Benj. TREMELLEN).

William BARKER and Jane PELLAR were married at St Erth 28 July 1781 (according to parish register). They had four children baptised at St Erth:
Elizabeth: 30 Dec 1781
John: 18 Apr 1784
William: 20 Aug 1786
Thomas: 20 June 1790

Checking the IGI for possible Williams, I found two, both baptised in Gwinear, one in 1747, the son of John and Anne (nee WILLIAMS) BARKER and one in 1750, the son of John and Alice (nee LAWRY) BARKER.

The BARKER-WILLIAMS marriage took place in Gwinear, in 1735. The BARKER-LAWRY marriage took place in St Just in Penwith in 1745.

The John BARKER-Anne WILLIAMS children (according to the IGI) were all baptised at Gwinear:
John: bap 7 May 1744
Richard: bap 1 Nov 1735, d 6 Sep 1737
Anne: bap 23 Oct 1737
Richard: bap 26 Aug 1739
Jane: bap 4 Feb 1741 d 26 Feb 1743
William: bap 22 Sept 1747
Jane: bap 22 Sept 1747

It appears that the father of these children, John BARKER, may be the one who is buried at Gwinear, 11 June 1750.

The John BARKER and Alice LAWRY marriage produced the following children baptised at Gwinear:
Thomas: 5 May 1746
John: 7 Dec 1747
William: 16 Apr 1750
Richard: 11 Apr 1752
Alice: 17 Aug 1754
Elizabeth: 8 May 1757
Nicholas: 28 June 1760
Jane: 12 Nov 1763
Mary: 11 May 1767

The John BARKER who is the father of these children may be the one who died in 1774.

I am hypothesizing at this point that "my" William is the one baptised in 1750, the son of John and Alice (LAWRY) BARKER. I am basing this on several things, but it doesn't seem to me a terribly substantial argument at the moment, so if anyone can shed light on it and either further support it, or knock it down, I would be grateful.

My "evidence" is:
1) The family that moved to St Erth, judging from the baptisms and marriages recorded there in the last half of the 18th century appear to be the children of John and Alice. Thomas and wife Joan live there. Nicholas lives there. Alice marries there. As does William when he marries Jane PELLAR.

2) William BARKER and wife JANE named their third son, Thomas. Jane had no brothers named Thomas. Her father was John. So was his. The second son appears to be named after himself. The third son may have been named after his eldest brother, Thomas. It seems possible, too, that his grandfather may have been the Thomas BARKER married at Gwinear in 1705. In any case, the family of John and Anne (WILLIAMS) BARKER contain no children named Thomas.

That's it. Not a lot. If anyone is researching either of these BARKER families, I would like to compare notes and learn more. One of them, at least, appears to have lived at Bodraverran. I need to do more research to find out which.

[Cornish Terrier]

I have odds and ends of these in my database without having linked back to earlier families.

I am guessing Richard, son of John and Alice is probably the Richard BARKER who married Martha BEST at St Erth in 1788.

It is difficult to be sure based on his children - Mary, Martha, Alie, Martha, Richard, Samuel and Elizabeth.

I have a small interest in the family due to the 1841 St Ives marriage of Samuel BARKER and Clarinda TREWHELLA.

Samuel was the son of another Samuel BARKER but the family does not appear to have been from St Ives.

In fact, Clarinda was born at Ludgvan and I suspect that Samuel is more likely to have been from St Erth given that is where their two know children were born.

Will try and take a closer look at the family as soon as I can get a few other things tidied up.

CT

[kerthen]

I think you're right about the Richard BARKER who married Martha being the son of John and Alice. There is the daughter Alie/Alice, and there's the age issue as well. The Richard, son of John and Anne, would have been 49 at the time of the marriage. Richard the son of John and Alice would have been 36.

Will have a look for a marriage possibility for the earlier Richard. If he's settled at Gwinear -- or at least with another wife -- you will not have to consider him a possibility.

[Mal]

Hi there. Do you have any more information on the Lawry family, before and after that is? I am trying to work out a possible connection between an Abraham Lawry who married Selina Dale and any link with the Williams/Davey and/or Davies families of Mousehole-Paul.

[kerthen]

Hi Malcolm,
I only have the IGI info on the LAWRYs because I haven't worked on them to any degree. The family I'm concerned with here is that of John LAWRY and Jane EDWARDS (mar 15 Feb 1701 at St Just in Penwith), whose children, all baptised at St Just in Penwith, are:
Jane: 5 Jul 1701
John: 28 Aug 1703
William: 7 Jul 1705
Eulalia: 20 Sept 1707
Mary: 10 Mar 1710
Grace: 3 Nov 1712
Nicholas: 6 Feb 1715
Anne: 7 Jun 1718
Thomas: 21 Jan 1721
Alice: 23 May 1724

The elder John is probably the son of John Lawry and Dorothie, his wife, bap at Morval in 1675, if indeed, record of his baptism survives (there are none at St Just in Penwith who would seem to be the father of this family). He didn't die until 1762, leaving a will dated 7 Aug 1761 and proved 17 May 1762 (abstract online at Cornish wills, ref: Vol 8, p 61, LDS Film # 0090196).

Jane, his wife, apparently survived him. She seems to be the Jane Edwards who was born to Thomas EDWARDS and Eulalia GIBBES, bap 17 Aug 1679 at St Just in Penwith.

I don't have any records of an Abraham Lawry. I'm sorry. If I run across him, I'll post him here for you.