William Hawes of Lelant, d. 1683, the earliest known progenitor of the Hawes family in that parish, was known to have married an Ann Kelway.
William left three children: William Jr., Elizabeth w/o Lewis Penberthy and Jane w/o Christopher Penberthy and William Hawking.
Originally I had subscribed the three children to his marriage with Ann; but a more careful look at copies of the original Lelant Bishop's Transcripts have now convinced me that this marriage could not have taken place early enough (late 1640s) for Ann to be the mother of his children.
Elizabeth was married in 1673.
Jane married her second husband in 1687 and was already a widow with one child.
William Jr. began having children in 1687.
The page of the Bishop's Transcript which contains the marriage of William Sr. to Anne Kelway is undated, but also has a list of the following burials:
John Cocke John Morracke Junr. John Thomas the Ju ffrancis Hampton Will. Stevens Eliz. White Eliz. Penberthy John Jacka Mary Wereon wid.
Of the above, John Cocke, John Morracke, ffrancis Hampton, John Jacka and Mary Wereon all appear on the 1664 Lelant Hearth Tax, so the listing must be later than that. Further, a comparison to the handwriting shows that it is very similar to the handwriting on the pages dated 1672/3 and 1674. So the page is likely from the 1670s, which would make Anne a second wife and not the mother of William's children.
Hi my name is Barbara and I live in North East Victoria Australia. My 7th Gt Grandfather was William HAWES abt 1660 from Uny Lelant Cornwell. I have him married to Christian HONIBALL Jan 1686 also found the marriage in Brides Of St Breage. Other researchers have him married to Joan THURLEBY. I have not found any marriage for William HAWES & Joan THURLEBY. Can anyone shed some light please Cheers Barbara
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 3, 2013 23:14:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Barbara - from someone else in Northeast Victoria!
Assuming we are dealing with William Hawes of Lelant only then I don't know where the marriage to 'Christian Honibell' comes from or how a date was arrived at and I also know nothing of 'Brides of St Breage'.
BUT ........... after a quick look at FamilySearch I now discover that there was indeed a marriage between a William Hawes and Christian Honiball at Breage on January 20th 1678. (Confirmed with the Breage Parish Register) There appear to have been no children to this marriage at Breage and there is nothing in the marriage record to suggest either William or Christian may have been from elsewhere. However it is possible there may have been children in other Parishes for which records of the time no longer exist.
So basically the marriage of William and Christian is an isolated event with nothing at the moment to link either of them to any other family although it is quite possible that William was from Lelant.
What I can tell you is that a William Hawes was certainly married to Joan Thurleby probably at Lelant and definitely sometime before 1696.
The Administration of the Estate of Joan Thurleby, widow was granted to Joane wife of William Hawes, daughter, 11th May 1696 at Lelant
Apart from a few scattered BTs there are no marriage records available for Lelant prior to 1716 so the above Admon. is about all we have to tell us of the marriage of William and Joan. Thomas Thurleby left a Will in 1683 in which he named seven children of whom all were daughters. And existing Bishops Transcripts give us baptism dates for three of those:-
Alice bp. 16th February 1665 Lelant Joane bp. 23rd February 1667 Lelant Sidwell bp. 2nd September 1670 Lelant
The first known child of William Hawes was Thomas bp. 24th September 1687 at which time Joane would have been about 19 so I suspect she was the mother of all the children of William Hawes.
I have no evidence to connect the people involved in the Breage marriage to Lelant however it is possible that William Hawes was from that Parish and that he married twice. But until a burial is found for Christian or some other evidence comes to light I would suggest that you leave that marriage aside for the time being.