Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 9, 2008 11:36:24 GMT -5
I would suggest you post some further details about the marriage and also, should you have it, any Census details or other information that might help.
I am running short of time before my ISP shuts down but do have some information here for Phillack.
However, a few more specifics might help me find something for you.
Have you checked more than one Census. ?
I have seen numerous Census Records (tracking through 1851,1861 etc.) where a family will be recorded but with, numerous times, the place of birth for family members recorded as being different Parishes.
The more information you can supply will make it a little easier for us to help you track down the information.
Unfortunatly I have not been able to find any more data. they may have moved and as I have no feel for the distances between parish lines. Looking through all the census reports is slow. Trying to see the world through the eyes of those long gone is very difficult at best but I really think its the most fun. I try to immagine why they would go from place to place for other than a short visit?
I think I have found John Huthnance and his family:
John (father John)married Elizabeth James (father Thomas) 26 Oct 1845 at St Ives
1851 @ Penbeagle, St Ives John Huthnance 1826 Phillack (transcribed Fellock!) Miner Elizabeth " 1828 St Ives Elizabeth Ann 1846 " John 1848 " Henry 1850 "
1861 @ Penbeagle St Ives Elizabeth Huthnance (marr) Elizabeth Ann Henry Thomas 1862
1861 @ Treveja Wortha John 1848 - servant at home of Thomas Reynolds
Cannot find John Snr in 1861
1871 @ Camborne Carnarton (?) Street John Huthnance 1826 Phillack Engine Driver Elizabeth John Thomas Mary L 1862 James 1867 Elizabeth 1869 (presumably elder Elizabeth Ann died)
1881 @ Camborne, 16 Stray Park Lane John -Engine fitter Elizabeth James Mary J
1891 @ Camborne same address John Engine Driver Elizabeth Janie (presume Mary J) James A age 3 grandson
1881 @ Camborne Treswithina Downs John Huthnance 1848 St Ives Engine Driver Grace 1848 Camborne Elizabeth Mary 1869 John Henry 1872 James 1873 Lilley 1875 Annie 1876 Arthur 1878 Thomas 1879
1891 @ Camborne Carn MO John Grace 1848 Gwinear (!!) James 1873 Illogan Lilley 1875 Camborne Elizabeth A 1856 Gwinear (!!!) Arthur 1877 Camborne Thomas 1878 " Jane 1882 " Samuel 1885 Mary 1886 William 1888
1901 Camborne Condurrow Thomas Lilley Janie Samuel Mary Willie
no sign of their parents
there was another John Huthnance b 1848 Wendron who also married a Grace (Warn of Gwinear) who had a large family at Gwinear I Found three possible marriages: 1862 John to Grace Warn (see above) 1868 John to Grace Roskilly Q3 Redruth 5c 355 1871 John to Grace Eva Q3 Redruth 5c 355 these two need to be checked to see if John married twice or if there is a transcription error
His brother Thomas (1856 St Ives ) married Catherine Simmons (father Robert)of Camborne in 1875 (Redruth Q1 5c 336) they had a daughter Leonie in 1883
This should give you something to go on and if you need any more checking just shout
I think you will find that John Huthnance and his wife Ann Stevens moved to Australia with most of their family and John died there in 1872 at Campbelltown New South Wales. Eldest son John stayed in Cornwall but Henry Jane, Mary, James, Samuel and Eleanor went to Australia with them.
Below is the details of what I believe might be John and Ann Huthnance's family based on the NSW BDM records
John Huthnance died 1872 at Campbelltown, s/o Henry and Jane Ann Huthnance died 1886 at Redfern d/o James and Ann (these would be the parents mentioned in the earlier post)
Jane V Huthnance married 1849 at Sydney to John MORRIS No evidence of any children in N.S.W.
Mary S Huthnance married 1850 at Sydney to George Francis Nutt Edward H Nutt born 1852 at Sydney James H Nutt born 1857 at Sydney Herbert Nutt born 1863 at Sydney, died 1863 at Sydney Mary S Nutt died 1869 at Redfern, d/o John and Ann. George F Nutt remarried Anne Jane Jones in 1871 and had further children to her.
Ellen Ann Huthnance married 1862 at Sydney to James Stephen Harris Venetia Harris born 1865 at Wellington James Harris born 1868 at Wellington Richard Harris born 1870 at Wellington Sydney Tasman Harris born 1873 at Wellington William Harris born 1875 at Wellington Arthur Harris born 1877 at Wellington Frederick Harris born 1880 at Wellington
Jamie Steven Huthnance married 1862 at Sydney to Elizabeth Malvina Robins Ada S A Huthance born 1862 at Chippendale, died 1875 at Sydney Alice E Huthnance born 1864 at Redfern married 1901 at Randwick to Arthur P Fletcher Edith M Huthnance born 1867 at Redfern Hedley H Huthnance born 1869 at Redfern died (mental hosp) 1924 at Balmain South Percy John S Huthnance born 1874 at Sydney Ira Robert W Huthance born 1877 at Sydney married ?? to Grace ?? (Ira died [index as Ina] 1944 at Glenn Innes ) (a Grace Adelaide died 1965 at Hamilton d/o of John and Elizabeth– could be Ira’s wife) John I Huthnance born 1908 at Randwick Grace E Huthnance born 1910 at Glen Innes Mavis Huthnance born 1911 at Glen Innes Lottie Sophia Huthance born 1879 at Sydney died unmarried 1957 at North Sydney Frank Thomas Huthnance born 1882 at Sydney married 1908 at Waverley to Eunice M Jones (Frank T Huthnance died 1955 at Chatswood) Annie E Huthnance born 1909 at St. Leonards Eunice A Huthnance born 1911 at St. Leonards Cecil J Huthnance married 1896 at Randwick to Annie Hamilton (not sure who he belongs to?) (Can’t find Cecil’s birth, but he died 1954 at Chatswood, s/o James Steven and Elizabeth Malvina) Cecil Ben Huthnance born 1897 at Lieichhardt died 1962 at Hurstville Ralph Hamilton Huthnance born 1900 at Woollahra died 1974 at unnamed place in N.S.W. Ethel A S Huthnance born 1902 at Woollahra Amy E Huthnance born 1905 at St. Leonards died 1925 at Chatswood Nance M Huthnance born 1910 at Chatswood Enid J Huthnance born 1915 at Chatswood Nellie G Huthnance born 1917 at Chatswood Elizabeth M Huthnance died 1909 at Randwick d/o of Stephen and Sarah James S Huthnance died 1910 at Randwick s/o of John and Anna
Eleanor Stevens Huthnance married 1868 at Camden to Edwin Charles Marr Eleanor May Marr born 1872 at Redfern Amy Clanan Marr born 1874 at Redfern William Henry Marr born 1875 at Redfern Elsey M Marr born 1878 at Waterloo Louisa Evelyn Marr born 1880 at Waterloo Minnie O Marr born 1882 at Petersham Edwin C Marr born 1884 at Petersham Alfred N Marr born 1886 at Petersham
Samuel Huthnance married 1868 at Camden to Emma Buston (Samuel died1923 at Auburn) (Emma died 1933 at Auburn d/o John and Hannah) Edgar Ernest Huthannce born 1869 at Berrima married 1894 at Goulburn to Helen G Moodie (Edgar died 1957 at Bowral) Edgar M Huthnance born 1895 at Goulburn Andrew R Huthnance born 1899 at Goulburn Doris M Huthnance born 1903 at Goulburn Samuel Huthnance born 1871 at Redfern married 1896 at Newtown to Elsie Marr (Samuel died 1951 at Auburn) Arthur E Huthnance born 1897 at Petersham Charles G Huthnance born 1901 at Marrickville John Samuel Huthnance born 1902 at Marrickville died 1974 at unnamed place in N.S.W. Harold C Huthnance birth not found, died 1922 Newtown Maud Huthnance born 1873 at Camden married 1899 at Camden to Benjamin Hodge Joan Beaston Huthnance born 1874 at Campbelltown died 1956 at Camden Ethel Mary Huthnance born 1877 at Campbelltown married 1899 at Camden to Edgar H Everingham Myra Emma Huthnance born 1879 at Campbelltown married 1901 at Camden to Samuel J Veness Ella Lievesly Huthnance born 1881 at Campbelltown married 1906 at Granville to John S Small Albert S Huthnance born 1882 at Campbelltown married 1909 at Camden to Alice Bridgman Percy R Huthnance born 1884 at Campbelltown married 1902 at Sydney to May E Morgan Percy R M Huthnance born 1903 at Paddington Harold Norman Huthnance born 1887 at Campbelltown married 1913 at Granville to Lily Trott (Harold died 1945 at Auburn) Norma L Huthnance born 1915 at Auburn Mervyn H Huthnance born 1917 at Auburn Oswald Septimus Huthnance born 1888 at Campbelltown married 1911 at Woollahra to Gertrude A Cudd (Oswald died 1960 at Katoomba) Roy O Huthnance born 1913 at Granville Enid M Huthnance born 1915 at Granville Nancy G Huthnance born 1916 at Auburn
Edith M Huthnance married 1888 at Sydney to Thomas J Granger Mabel Granger born 1892 at Randwick No further info on this family – may have left the state
Henry Huthnance died 1852 at Sydney aged 24 years – no parents given (could be the son of John and Ann above) Henry Huthnance died 1891 at Cassilis son of John (could be the son of John and Ann above)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2008 7:45:06 GMT -5
John Huthnance died 1872 at Campbelltown, s/o Henry and Jane
Thanks for all that work Gandolf.
So John was probably:-
John HUTHNANCE s/o Henry and Jane bp. 26th October 1800 at Gwinear
Which makes his parents probably:-
Henry HUTHNANCE, of Gwithian m. Jane VEALE 5th February 1799 at Gwithian
If I have identified John and his parents correctly then we have another problem as there are at the very least three baptisms for Henry Huthnance and no absolute guarantee at the moment that any of them would be the right one.
Jane VEALE is a little easier and was probably:-
Jane VEALE d/o Rowand and Jane bp. 29th October 1775 at Gwithian.
Rowland VEALE, of Phillack, Gent., m. Jane CURNOW d/o Peter CURNOW and Ann (nee HARRIS) 16th January 1766 at Gwithian
Let's see if this is all correct and then we can try to determine Henry's identity.