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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 21, 2007 11:33:53 GMT -5
Have just had a chat to my cousin Nancy in Truro and have discussed some of this little problem. Nancy has suggested something further that might be of help/interest. It is a book by CLIVE CARTER and entitled "CORNISH SHIPWRECKS" Might be worth trying to find a copy and see what it has to say. Not sure where I could get a copy but I am sure that Cornishmaid might be able to track one down in the Library and get a bit of a look at it. Back to you for a while girls. ;D
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Post by gandolf on May 10, 2008 7:34:43 GMT -5
And here's the information on Richard Noall's seafaring activities: Service/Voyages: 1874 Mate, Highflyer, ON65137, 17Apr Plymouth to??, 26Jun ?? to London. 9Jul Plymouth to??, dis 18Sep 1875 Mate, Bessie Grenfell, ON55252, 26Jan Milford to Cadiz, back Antwerp from South America 4Oct Mate, Caroline Beeson, ON 45770, 8Nov Swansea to Mediterranean. Vessel wrecked 14Nov 2nd Mate, Lubra ON73592, 15Dec Ipswich to Aust ..... So... it would appear that it was on the 15Dec Ipswich to Aust voyage that he jumped ship. Well, at least this would be a good starting point for that hypothesis. Will check the papers as soon as I can to see if anything was reported of the case If anyone has any further ideas on how to find his death, or more about his life, I would be very very grateful Although coming late to this party, a couple of thoughts to add to the pot.... If Richard Noall was on board a ship being wrecked on the Cornish coast in mid November 1875, he could not possibly have got to Ipswich, Qld, Australia (as suggested by someone else in this thread) by mid December 1875. Presumably therefore he sailed from Ipswich, Suffolk, England to Australia?? As to finding more out about Richard Noall in Fiji, I may be able to suggest some possibilities given the challenges I had finding an ancestor who should have been in NSW in 1881, and then turned up dead in Fiji, having gone over as a builder when they were starting up the sugar industry at the time. As someone (think it was CT) said, Fiji was part of the empire and I think is still part of the Commonwealth. As such British record keeping seems to have been the norm from fairly early. The registry of BDMs was certainly going by the 1870's, since I have a copy of my ancestors 1881 death certificate. I have also seen records suggesting that censuses (of at least non-natives) were being taken at least as early as 1874, although I cannot comment on their frequency. The main newspaper (at least today) is the Fiji Times. I am not sure exactly when it started, but suspect it was back into the 19th century. A lot of Fijian news was also reported in Australian (primarily Sydney. perhaps Brisbane) newspapers due to the continual movement of ships back and forth. Finally, while it may be co-incidence, the name Noall seems to be in use in Fiji even today. See www.vanuafoot.com/article-17511251.htmlHopefully this might help with the search.....
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Post by gandolf on May 10, 2008 7:54:12 GMT -5
A further quick though if you decide to explore Aussie newspapers for news of Fiji - don't just look in the date range you expect to find the information. Quite often it took a year or two for the news to filter back to Australia, where it was sometimes then reported as if new news.
In the case of my ancestor, he had married for the second time in NSW in 1878, and his second wife then remarried as a widow in 1882. Could not find any record of his death in Australia, including the Sydney newspapers - purely because I was looking in the range 1878-1882. His death was reported in the Sydney paper in 1883 as if it were a recent death, even though his widow must have known about it for at least a year!
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Post by cornishmaid on May 10, 2008 8:06:54 GMT -5
Many thanks Gandolf, I will certainly look into those channels and bear your points about time delay in mind. Do you know how I can access the records that are available? I didn't even think of Australian newspapers as being a source of information. I've obviously accessed lots of records over here in England, but wouldn't have a clue where to start with Australian or Fiji records. Any pointers you could give me would be brilliant
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Post by gandolf on May 10, 2008 8:59:38 GMT -5
Cornishmaid, I am not sure how much help I can be given the research into my ancestor was originally done by the local genie group in the are where he was last living and they were the ones with the access to the Sydney newspapers. Once I had the date, it was relatively simple to obtain the death certificate from the Fiji BDM registry. However.... Try the Fiji GenWeb at: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fjiwgw/Some information on Fijian royal families can be found at: www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/states/fiji/fiji.htmlThe Australian based Pacific Manuscripts Bureau (PAMBU) whose goal is to preserve Pacific Island documents may have something of use. See rspas.anu.edu.au/pambu/
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Post by gandolf on May 10, 2008 9:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2008 11:37:48 GMT -5
Brilliant input me Aussie compatriot. I must admit that I have neglected the Noall family for sometime now and it is only in the last couple of days that I thought of doing something more about it. I keep coming across the name whilst I am trying to sort out the Quick families of St Ives and surrounds. Keep up the good work.
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Post by leonora on Oct 1, 2011 22:08:30 GMT -5
Fiji WAS part of the Commonwealth so yes, records are available at the National Archives of Fiji which hosts Births, Deaths and Baptism records from 1875 onwards. Records prior to 1875 are available in the Methodist Church of Fiji Archives (also kept in the Fiji National Archives Building) and the Catholic Church of Fiji Archives (located at Nicholas House in Suva).
I live in Fiji and spend considerable time at the Archives when I'm able. I'll keep a lookout for any mention of Capt. Richard Noall or family members.
Cheers~
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 2, 2011 0:32:29 GMT -5
Well, Leonora - another first! Our first member from the Pacific Islands! And I kind offer which I am sure Cornishmaid will appreciate so thankyou.
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Post by roadrunner on Apr 21, 2014 14:45:49 GMT -5
Re Richard Noall Fiji 1861census aged13 1871census aged 23 crew of Lubra 28 [1876] T.W. Noall 1861 aged 3 1871 13 18 [1876] cornishmaid list Richard 2nd mate on S.S.Lubra ON73592 15dec [Ipswich to Aust [1875 ] S.S Lubra built Glasgow 1860 for the aust coastal trade Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters LUBRA of London Joseph Garson Master 279tons From Port of Launceston to Sydney N.S.W. 9th/Sept/1876 Garson Joseph Captain Passengers Nil Young James Mate 22 Cornwall [believe St Ives will confirm] Noall Richard 2nd Mate 28 St Ives Meacle George A.B. 27 Sydney Frazer Angus A B. 23 Edinburgh Short James A.B. 22 Barnstable Noall T.W. A.B. 18 St Ives Hay William Engineer 44 London Miller Robert O.S, 22 Glasgow Lloyd R 2nd Eng 24 Cardiff Wilson William Fireman 40 Glasgow Clare William Trimmer 23 Belfast Ross James C&S 25 Glasgow Timbs Fred Fireman 22 Bridgwater Mackay James A.B. 40 Wick Source :- State RecordsAuthority of N.S.W. Shipping Masters Office; Passengers Arriving1885-1922 N.R.S.13278 [ x135-136] Reel 434 More to follow Regards Doug
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Post by annabarbara on Jun 3, 2014 23:01:00 GMT -5
The place where Richard died in Fiji is LAUTOKA, not Lantoka as mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Post by roadrunner on Jun 4, 2014 8:55:21 GMT -5
Hello afjones Ihave just found details of James Noall last Ship/Voyage. his wife Rebecca was my g/aunt. If you would consider forwarding your e-mail address by P M I can give you details
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