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Post by sue on Nov 27, 2017 5:41:38 GMT -5
Zib: thankyou for that extra information on the 1860 Wm W Curnow death: crushed by a falling rock at age 16; not good. May I say, you are a gem at digging out information from U.S. records. CT: indeed, I am related to James Curnow~Victoria Penberthy’s clan! James’ brother William 1856 (my GGUncle) immigrated to U.S. James & Victoria’s son Alfred 1878 Callington S Aus: hmm, why do I have him buried 26 Sep 1922 West Terrace Cemetery Adelaide, S Aus Rd 5 Extension Row C6 Site 25 age 45? Robyn: Wm John Curnow 1851 of Michael Curnow. Jolly young - marrying a woman more than twice his age? As to Michael's will: indeed, it may well have been the case of son Michael being the one who farmed with his dad. Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2017 5:48:54 GMT -5
Robyn - I think I might now need you to send me some more details of the DNA matches you have. i.e. some of the usernames so that I can try and dig a little deeper.
Using the Gedmatch 'one-to-many' comparison your best match (where there is a Gedcom attached) is to Cynthia Moore and the only possible connection I can see is via the family of James Oates Thomas. Unfortunately pursuing that line has so far proved fruitless as far as a match to William Curnow.
I have also just now rechecked the GRO Index and FreeBMD for all William Curnows (variant spellings) registered from 1842-1846 and unless there was at least one who went unregistered then we seem to have covered them all in previous posts.
I even tried checking possible Curnow/Thomas marriages but of the two that could possibly be involved one had no child named William and the other simply disappears after the 1830 marriage with no children and no entries in the Census.
If you would send me some of those details, preferably via a PM, I will see if I can track down the possible links.
So far, if William was actually registered as a Curnow, we are back to the 1846 illegitimate William who seems to have no links to the Thomas family or to either of the possible Curnow families indicated in other DNA matches so far.
I think the son of John Curnow and Peggy Bennets Nankervis could be eliminated because he was still in Cornwall in March/April 1871. There was a William Curnow arrived at Sydney in 1871 (I think aboard the 'Macedon') but I am fairly sure that ship arrived in January. Unfortunately this William travelled as a steerage passenger and only his name was recorded.
CT
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Post by sue on Nov 27, 2017 16:50:15 GMT -5
You know that Wm Curnow burial in Tasmania 1911 age 66 i.e born c1845? well, just re-looking at Familysearch for Curnow deaths Tasmania, up comes the birth 11 June 1901 of Terence Cyril Curnow to Sampson Curnow & wife Marion. Now, I saw yesterday that NSW records have a will in the 1940s I think for a Sampson Curnow with beneficiaries Terence & a married daughter I recall. But looking at the birth registration document for Terence to Sampson Curnow, it says he was a storekeeper of Morville Road Burnie (not unlike hotel work where a Sampson Curnow of Sydney was bankrupted in 1880s then divorced) and that the marriage of Sampson Curnow to Marion Miller was 24 December 1890 Launceston. There really weren't so very many Curnows in Tasmania historically that I am aware of..... Ok now seeing Sampson's death in Tasmania newspaper 1946 which says he was in his 88th year, I see he was the born 1859 USA son of Sampson Curnow 1833 Ludgvan who became the mine manager who died 1881 and that there's no apparent link to a William Curnow c1845. Sorry, red herring. Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2017 19:21:11 GMT -5
You have him buried at West Terrace because that is where he actually is buried!! After seeing your post I decided to check again and found a couple of errors. One was my own fault because I didn't notice the next entry in my database which was another Alfred Curnow born in Adelaide in 1879! But the biggest error is in FamilySearch which has the 1925 Burial card in the wrong place ............ they have it recorded as Gladstone, TASMANIA when it should be Gladstone, QUEENSLAND!! I checked the QLD BMD site again and the 1925 death and burial at Gladstone, Qld, is that of Alfred Curnow born 19th March 1879 son of Nicholas Stevens Curnow and Mary Ann Gillard. I actually have the 1925 death and burial recorded but had not previously noticed the FS error regarding Tasmania. So Alfred born 1878 to James and Victoria died 1922 and is buried at Adelaide whilst Alfred born 1879 to Nicholas and Mary Ann died 1925 and is buried at Gladstone in Queensland. Hopefully that clears up this problem. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2017 19:37:04 GMT -5
Sue - regarding Sampson Curnow - looks like I will have to go over your information again tonight and do some other checking as I currently show Sampson as having married Mary Thomas in Victoria in 1896. Your information about the Will and the marriage in Tasmania to Marion Miller would suggest that I have made a mistake that needs to be corrected.
The Sampson in Tasmania was first married to Clara Emily Mason 2nd May 1883 at The Manse, St Leonards, NSW. The newspaper report says he was 'for many years gold-mining manager at Sandhurst, Melbourne' which is probably why I linked him to Mary Thomas at the time.
Clara died at Newington Asylum, George Street, Parramatta 22nd September 1902 and was buried at Rookwood Cemetery 2 days later.
CT
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Post by robyndundas on Nov 27, 2017 22:10:37 GMT -5
Hi
It is interesting to note that my William went to Sandhurst (now Bendigo) temporarily in 1873 as stated in the bankruptcy notices.
I will send the usernames by PM later today.
Thanks Robyn
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Post by zibetha on Nov 27, 2017 23:19:06 GMT -5
Robyn, At what suggested Ancestry cousin level are your DNA matches? Mine are very interesting. As to experience at a greater level than I would have expected.
Zib
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Post by robyndundas on Nov 28, 2017 1:18:27 GMT -5
Dear Zib
4th-6th and 5th-8th. My GEDmatch links show the following links:
4th-6th at 4.5 generations 5th-8th at 4.6 generations
So, I agree it's a bit all over the place.
I don't really know what level they really are for William Curnow as I have no idea who he is, apart from his name, possible year of birth (1843) and that he was born in Cornwall.
Thanks for the information, I'll keep that in mind.
Robyn
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Post by robyndundas on Nov 28, 2017 4:53:09 GMT -5
Hi
I got a reply from the South Australian Geneology Association.
They said:
Search the digitised passenger list 65/2 online on state records sa website
Listed under A-Z for researchers you will find Passenger lists - click on this - then go down the page to the boxes with years - click 1865 - go down the list of ships and click 2 Queen Bee PDF
If you read down the handwritten list you find Curnow Thomas & Jane with 2 children, Thomas & Elizth with sons William and Thomas then down to single men you find William 18y & Richard 17y Richard's reg:number matches Thomas and Jane 7/1350 but William appears to be alone 10/1350
Further down are lists naming passengers selected by Wallaroo Mining Co and Moonta Mining Co
I looked up the site and it lists William as having certificate 10/350 from the Wallaroo Co. He is listed as having no family in Australia. He is on the same certificate as the following men from Cornwall:
Richard Bennett/s - age 26 George Best - age 21 Richard Broad - age 24
I looked them up as I thought they might know one another and found that Richard Broad was from Towednack??. Searching on Ancestry, I came up with a DNA match jumping family trees from the Broads to Curnows. Specifically James Henry Curnow, born about 1852, Ludgvan. He had a brother William, but I think he died in 1874?? In Ludgvan.
Robyn
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Post by sue on Nov 28, 2017 9:58:30 GMT -5
Who says the brother James of Wm Curnow buried 1874 Ludgvan had a middle name Henry? Not at his baptism, nor in censuses. As I mentioned before, anyone with family links to the Towednack area is likely to have some DNA links to many other people from that area, so I'm not finding this helpful. So Wm Curnow emigrated to Aus with a mate/person from the same village.... just like my brother did in 2008, not everyone goes with relatives. We are still at the point where the Q Bee Wm Curnow age 18 is odds on the chap lodging with the Honeychurches 1851/61. And he's starting Aus life mining. And he could be Robyn's ancestor. And he also could be the burial Gladstone Tasmania 1911 age 66 - which never mind Sampson Curnow of Tasmania that I was looking into and turns out to be irrelevant to this case though interesting, FamilySearch has got Wm Curnow's burial card wrongly indexed! (I think). I now see that other burial cards for this Wm Curnow - images of the same burial card - are indexed as Gladstone Queensland! Just like the Alfred Curnow burial error that CT pointed out!! Gosh this is hard enough with individual researchers posting erroneous stuff on internet trees, without large organisations stirring things up as well!! So I think I have this right: we have a person of interest by the name of Wm Curnow being buried Gladstone Queensland 27 June 1911 age 66 Section A Row 10, having been born England, calculated as c1845. Sue.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 28, 2017 11:58:04 GMT -5
Sue - as I was reading your latest post I felt that great FS slap in the back of the head again!!! And yes, you are quite correct that the Gladstone involving William Curnow, just as with Alfred, was QUEENSLAND!!! And after checking the Qld BMD indexes the death entry reads as follows:- Year 1911 Reg No C445 Last name CURNOW Father - WILLIAM CURNOW Mother - MARY CURNOW I seem to recall that we had some discussion on this fella quite some time back, probably when I was trying to sort out as many of the Australian Curnows as possible. I think we hit a bit of a brick wall back then but right now I think it is all beginning to make some sense. I suspect rather strongly now that this is the illegitimate son of Mary Curnow baptized at Towednack in 1846 and I think the naming of his father as William might be another from that large school of red herrings we continually encounter! We are still not really any closer to identifying Hill End William although it is very likely this is the same man. As I said - the fact his father was named as William Curnow in the death record means little and may or may not be true. It would be interesting to know the name of the informant for this record but I suspect it may have been someone who knew William well enough to know his mother's name was Mary. Either that or William had been in an institution (Hospital or other) where he had supplied details himself. Mind you ..... that theory relies on at least the name of William's mother being correct because if that is also false then there are still four other William Curnows born 1844/5 who could also fit that record. The details for William Curnow via FS are:- born - England burial - 27th June 1911 age 66 place - Gladstone Cemetery Section A Row 10 In the Queensland Electoral Rolls there is a William Curnow at Targinnie, Gladstone in 1905, 1908 and 1909 - occupation .... Barber! In each year he appears to have been living alone. That is about as much as I can add right now. CT
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Post by sue on Nov 28, 2017 12:49:37 GMT -5
Ah-ha, inch by inch..... leaving aside the barbering business, and after all why not turn your hand to anything? The naming of Wm Curnow c1845's father as William by whoever may not be an altogether red herring, perhaps just a herring.... because Ellen Curnow 1844 also names her father as William, in her case at the marriage to Christian Davey 1870. Mind you, even if a Wm Curnow fathered a child or 2 to Mary Curnow, there are various Wm Curnows in the Towednack surrounds area in the 1840s that may have been misbehaving, hence me thinking it's still a herring of some kind..... (Although Mary 1816's cousin Wm Curnow 1818 of Thomas Curnow~Sarah Roach is in 1851 with aunt-in-law Honor [Johns] Curnow over in Camborne, which I always thought of mild interest as nearly all the rest of his siblings are still in Towednack.) I do recall discussing an unplaceable Curnow from Aus who is said to have fought at Khartoum or somewhere like that c1870s/80s, and I crawled through all the records for the persons in that battalion or whatever, & he was not to be found under the name Curnow. I've tried recently to find trace of that conversation in my emails, without success - and in any case it could well have been a Curnow with a different 1st name... Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 28, 2017 13:02:48 GMT -5
Quite so ............ and who knows, a couple of years earlier he might have been a butcher! ................. Using the same set of cutting tools! But yes, it is certainly 'possible' that Mary had a dalliance with a William Curnow cousin in which case the field could be narrowed down a little if we tread carefully. CT
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Post by robyndundas on May 18, 2018 7:03:46 GMT -5
Hi
I have a new possible DNA link with Lottie Grace Curnow through Russell Henry Pearce at 5-8th cousin to me.
I have the Ancestry line as:
Russell Henry Pearce Russell Henry Pearce Lottie Grace Curnow Robert Russell Curnow James Curnow, born c1818 William Curnow and Elizabeth Bolitho
Is this correct?
Who knows what side of the relationship to William this relates to...
Looking forward to further advice, Robyn
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 18, 2018 13:43:40 GMT -5
What makes you think the link goes back to William Curnow?? Surely it is possible that this 'cousin' link goes back on the line of the mother of the first Robert Henry Pearce in your list! Or .... given it is supposedly a 5th-8th cousin match it is entirely possible that a false link might be involved. I've looked at several 5th-8th cousin matches but when I check via a one-to-one comparison I find that there is no link at all - just a false match.
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