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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:30:19 GMT -5
Hello again
Nothing concrete about that fact CT - what is stopping her still being alive? simply dumped the baby with the family and run off with another sailor??? That is exactly what John Mitchell Quick did.... consider it a strong possibility that she died... but there is no proof that she did surely??
And where is the daughter Elizabeth of Andrew Quick and where is her death now?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2017 12:33:52 GMT -5
Mylor Parish Register - Marriages, 1837-1869 Page 133
21 July 1853 Thursday - Thomas Quick of full age, widower, master mariner of the Parish of Feock son of William Quick, farmer and Elizabeth Phillips, widow, of Mylor daughter of Thomas May, mariner married by Licence - Witnesses:- Thomas Mitchell, Margaret May
About the same place as I previously had the death/burial of the wife of Thomas above. And, I might add, exactly where you seem to have had both Elizabeth Quicks from this discussion when you first posted your query!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 13:40:09 GMT -5
Good evening CT
I am sorry but even with the use of the exclamation marks you have me confused.
When I started this query it was about the Elizabeth Quick of Ayr Street in 1841. You subsequently posted a list that included the burial for an Elizabeth on 30th March 1842 at St Ives who you said was the 37 year old daughter of Andrew Quick. Part of the discussion from there on has been concerning this burial. You are now convinced that it is the wife of Thomas Quick who was buried on 30th March 1842. The question I asked was that if this is true, then where now is the burial for Elizabeth, daughter of Andrew Quick, who was mentioned in the 1836 will of her father?
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Post by zibetha on Oct 12, 2017 23:42:51 GMT -5
Dear Trink Lady,
Exploring our roots is a human process. We are not perfect, nor are the records we view. People on this board have a vast and varied store of knowledge and share what we think might be pertinent when someone posts a query. Your opinions are as valid as any, but I am not sure I understand your expectations. There are no magic answers or perfect paper trail. I think we all have open-ended questions. But that keeps us working on our trees.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 4:41:14 GMT -5
Hello Zibetha et al
I am happy to respond to PMs but please, I do not wish to be the topic of conversation in this public forum.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2017 4:56:02 GMT -5
The short answer is that I simply do not know. Just as previously, when I believed it was she buried at St Ives in 1842, I did not know what had happened to the wife of Thomas Quick. But now that your comments have helped steer me in different directions which have turned up more pieces of information I am certainly convinced that this 1842 burial must be the wife of Thomas and I have updated my database accordingly.
Elizabeth daughter of Andrew Quick was mentioned in her father's Will in 1836 at which time it appears she was still a spinster at age 32. From 1836 onwards I can now find no further trace of Elizabeth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 11:40:50 GMT -5
Good afternoon
And I do not know either and so that means that we will continue to look for that second Elizabeth as further information comes to hand over the years ahead. I personally am split 50/50 as to which one died in 1842 .... so if we ever find the second Elizabeth I will not be surprised either way.
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Post by donne on Oct 14, 2017 3:45:27 GMT -5
I can add nothing material to add to this interesting discussion but just to put forward a suggestion that the GRO death cert for the 1842 burial could include an informant's name which may give a clue to the identity of the deceased. In any case, I've often thought that, in the absence of DNA evidence, all family trees are based on the balance of probabilities and it's as well to keep in mind alternative hypotheses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 3:54:41 GMT -5
Good morning Donne
Yes you are right, in most occasions that would help, but unfortunately this was a death at the Union Workhouse and the informant was Joseph Roberts of the Union Workhouse.
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Post by donne on Oct 14, 2017 19:43:44 GMT -5
Just a thought, the Elizabeth Quick buried in 1842 was resident at the Penzance Union Workhouse at Madron. In 1842, the Penzance Union covered the parishes of St. Buryan, St Erth, Gulval, St Hilary, St Ives, St Just, St Levan, Ludgvan, Madron, Marazion, Morvah, Paul, Penzance, Peranuthno, Sancreed, Sennen, Towednack, Uny Lelant and Zennor. I would have thought that the inmates would have been of one of these 19 parishes. From what I read in the thread, master mariner Thomas Quick was of the parish of Feock and surely his dependants, if they fell on hard times, would be housed in the workhouse for the Truro Union which includes Feock. Since Andrew Quick seems to have been of the parish of St. Ives, could that not lend some weight the theory that the 1842 burial from the Penzance Union workhouse was his daughter Elizabeth?
Other sources of information would really be useful here. I see that the Cornwall Record Office holds the Guardian's minute books for the Penzance Union from 1837 to 1930. It may be a vain hope, but it may be worth a browse for anyone in the area with time to spare to see if they have anything to say about Elizabeth Quick.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 15, 2017 6:14:28 GMT -5
Roger - Thomas Quick was actually born at Towednack and seems to have moved across to Feock during the mid-1840s. At the time of his marriage to Elizabeth Hogg at Cardiff in 1832 he was 'of St Ives'. His daughter Catherine Smith Quick was born at St Ives 28th January 1841 and the birth registered by her mother Elizabeth 6th February 1841. The mother was Elizabeth nee Hogg who was born in South Glamorgan, Wales and baptized in 1813 so in 1842 would have been about age 28.
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Post by donne on Oct 16, 2017 4:16:26 GMT -5
Oh dear, CT, another of my theories shot down in flames! Just another niggling thought though, the Elizabeth Quick of the 1841 census in the Madron workhouse was recorded in the census as born 'in county' whereas you have traced Elizabeth Hogg's birth to South Wales. I know this bit of information is often erroneous in the 1841 census but with a Welsh accent the lady's origins would have been likely to be noticed in West Cornwall.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2017 5:56:58 GMT -5
Details for the Workhouse I suspect may be very much like those for Death Certificates - all dependent on the informant. And all answers would also depend on the responder understanding the question.
We do have information that Elizabeth wife of Thomas was dead before 1853 and, as I displayed a couple of days ago, the 1842 Penzance death record is the only one in all of England that could be her.
I guess that if Elizabeth were with her husband she might have died at sea and been buried at sea but even then there would have been a death certificate issued. And as he met Elizabeth Hogg in Wales I suspect that Thomas Quick was more involved in the coastal trade rather than long voyages to other parts of the world so it is likely he was never far from land.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 10:33:43 GMT -5
Good afternoon from a very windy Penzance
I agree, this is a significant piece of evidence that cannot simply be ignored. In my opinion it has as much chance of being correct as it has of being incorrect.
One question CT if you do not mind... you said that if she died at sea then a death certificate would be issued.. who would issue it if she was, say overseas in Brazil waters?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2017 6:33:04 GMT -5
I believe I have already covered that point in my earlier posts. Primarily I suspect that Thomas Quick's maritime activities were confined to the coast of Britain however, if he were somewhere near Brazil and IF his wife was with him and died during the voyage then so long as there was a body the death would have to have been reported by the Captain of the vessel and a certificate would have been issued either through the Consular Deaths or the Maritime Registers. If you have a look at the FamilySearch collections you will see that there is one for Maritime Births, Deaths and Marriages. You seem to be spending a lot of time and energy concentrating on the wife of Thomas Quick ..... but have you given any thought to the fact that 37 year old Elizabeth daughter of Andrew Quick is not found in the 1841 Census?? CT
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