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Post by phonelady on Oct 7, 2015 9:55:08 GMT -5
Hello Everyone! Youall have been such wonderful help with Craig's Harvey/Oats folks I decided I'd ask about the Richards side of the family. Does anyone know about Edward Henry Richards [born 1838 in Germoe] who married Mary "Kitty" Arthur[born 1844 in Germoe]. They had a marriage Bann in 1860. I have not been able to find a marriage record though. Thanks! Carla
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 7, 2015 11:20:27 GMT -5
Hello Carla Hope the following is of interest. Germoe1860 Edward Henry Richards Bachelor Mary Arthur Spinster Banns 1st Date 16/dec 2nd 23dec 3rd 30dec Officating Minister M D Brougham L D S No4035190 00382
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 7, 2015 11:47:11 GMT -5
1861 census RG9/1574 E D 11 Folio150 Page 11 Shed60 Tresowas Moor Edward H Richards 23 Mary 21 Jenefer [Mother] 63
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Post by sue on Oct 7, 2015 13:20:39 GMT -5
Well, the marriage certainly happened: Freebmd has it indexed in the Jan-March Q 1861 Helston RD, with Mary written as “Arther”. So, never mind indices or transcriptions, why not go to Familysearch England, Cornwall and Devon Parish Registers, 1538-2010 Cornwall Germoe Marriages, 1837-1900 - digital images of the actual marriage register for Germoe, the most likely place of marriage? But oh dear: image 81 should be the right one, having scrolled back & forth.... yet it is page 77 of the register with 2 entries on the page: entry 153 22 December 1859 marriage of Eliza Hosking and Richard Mollard entry 154 2 April 1861 marriage of Emma Wood & John Henry Pascoe. Flippping back to Cornwall OPC website, doing a few quick searches reveals there are no marriages transcribed for Germoe for 1860 (into Januaryish 1861). Similarly, using the link to another set of Germoe marriage transcriptions at freepages.nostalgia.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/Germoe%20Marriages%201837%20to%201900%20by%20Year.htmthis gap in the Germoe register is confirmed. So: was the church closed for 15 months? Perhaps the marriage possibly happened at a neighbouring church - Breage, Godolphin or several other possibilities. Not all these parishes have their marriage records avaialble either in transcript on e.g. OPC website, or as scanned digiial images on FamilySearch - Godolphin records seem scarce in online availability, for example. Or is the Germoe register perhaps a neat copy made by the clerk at the time from scribbled notes, and he messed up and omitted some? Which would mean paying your c£10 and buying a copy of the actual marriage certificate might be the only way to get the details, if you were that keen..... Sue
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Post by phonelady on Oct 7, 2015 14:47:51 GMT -5
Hi Sue, Thanks for looking. So it's not just me finding nothing. Maybe my guess for the year is off It might have been Breage as well. I've looked through the old marraige books on internet archives as well and just seem to be missing it. Thank you again for doing all that looking! Smiles! Carla
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Post by phonelady on Oct 7, 2015 14:58:41 GMT -5
Hi Roadrunner, Yes, that's them! Thank you for looking that up. Now I know her husband went before her. i hope I got the right Banns. I haven't seen anyone else in the Cornwall records with those names married about that time [give or take 10 years]. Well, off to do more sarching! Thank you'all for your quick replys! Carla
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 20, 2015 1:26:17 GMT -5
Based on the information supplied by all and also after checking my own collection of records I would suggest that there is one logical solution to this problem. As Banns were published it seems unlikely, although possible, that the marriage might ultimately have taken place in the registry office but noting that Edward was of Germoe and Mary was of Breage I would suggest that the marriage might have taken place at GODOLPHIN! Godolphin is a modern Parish which was formed out of the northern part of Breage in 1846. The first baptisms took place there in 1846 with marriages commencing in 1851. Neither the OPC nor myself have the Marriage records but the OPC does have baptisms online and I have transcripts of them. Rather than spending money on a marriage certificate I would suggest you contact the CRO and see if someone could lookup, and possibly copy, the record for you. CT
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 24, 2015 12:17:10 GMT -5
Hello Carla Further to my last ,have been unable tofind marriage or Baptism records on any of surrounding parishes in each instints show notes in on boarder [pages missing] the records having been transcribed from The Latter Day Saints hope the following will be a help Banns1825 Germoe John Richards Jenefer Symons[ Breage ] 30 Oct,6Nov, 13 Nov. 1860 Edward/Mary sent prev 1841 census Germoe HO107/137 ED12 Book1 Folio28 Page 24/25 John 50,Jane40,Jane10 Joseph 10 John 5 EDWARD 3 1851census HO107/1913 ED2 Part5 Folio397 Page23 Shed79 Jane50, Joseph19, EDWARD13 See also Folio392 Page12Jane17 visitor [ link] 1861 census sent prev 1871census RG10/2308 Folio69 Page10 Shed50 EDWARD33 Mary31 Joseph 9 William J 5 Samuel A2 Are you able to supply us with any information regarding your family migration to Gilpin County Nevadaville [ie] Date and name of Ship. My wifes 2nd generation G/father Phillip Williams died falling down a mine shaft in 1885 in Nevadaville leaving a wife and 5 children the youngest born1884 He his buried in Bald Mountain Cemetery He was from Sancreed/St Just area Regards Doug
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Post by phonelady on Dec 25, 2015 18:13:38 GMT -5
Hi Doug, I don't know the name of the ship that William John Richards came over on. I do know that he came over about 1774. Lucy Richards Harvey and children Janie [Mary Jane] and John came over about 1876 separate from husband and father Thomas Oats Harvey who came over in 1774. I can't seem to find the paperwork with the ship name. Family lore says that it was "The City of Paris." Many of the gravestones in Bald Mountain Cemetery have gone into the ground so your Phillip Williams may not be available for picture. Oh, we saw his gravemarker when we were at Bald Mountain Cemetery taking pictures of Thomas and Lucy Harvey's graves! Go to: findagrave.com and in the search enter the Memorial#: 33426456 You can see Phillip's gravestone from a distance on this youtube video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgU40bm1ftgHere you can see the other side of the Williams gravemarker [as well as many other gravemarkes in Bald Mtn. Cemetery]. Roadrunner said: "Are you able to supply us with any information regarding your family migration to Gilpin County Nevadaville [ie] Date and name of Ship. My wifes 2nd generation G/father Phillip Williams died falling down a mine shaft in 1885 in Nevadaville leaving a wife and 5 children the youngest born1884 He his buried in Bald Mountain Cemetery He was from Sancreed/St Just area Regards Doug"
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Post by phonelady on Dec 25, 2015 18:36:39 GMT -5
Hi Doug! These are my Richards people! Thank you for looking all those up. Now I should be able to go on back from there! Smiles! Carla Roadrunner said:"1860 Edward/Mary sent prev 1841 census Germoe HO107/137 ED12 Book1 Folio28 Page 24/25 John 50,Jane40,Jane10 Joseph 10 John 5 EDWARD 3 1851census HO107/1913 ED2 Part5 Folio397 Page23 Shed79 Jane50, Joseph19, EDWARD13 See also Folio392 Page12Jane17 visitor [ link] 1861 census sent prev 1871census RG10/2308 Folio69 Page10 Shed50 EDWARD33 Mary31 Joseph 9 William J 5 Samuel A2"
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