sherryl
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I'm hoping for assitance with the Yendall & Cook families from Cornwall & Devon 1830's to 1890's
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Post by sherryl on Feb 7, 2015 8:13:51 GMT -5
Please may ask for your assistance and help in finding the following family of mine. John Yendall - born abt 1831, Whimple, Devon (Father) Fanny Yendall (nee Mile) – born abt 1830, Helston, Cornwall (Wife) John Yendall – born abt 1854, Helston, Cornwall (Son) Kate Yendall – born abt 1856, Helston, Cornwall (Daughter) Emily Yendall – born abt 1864, Falmouth, Cornwall (Daughter) Henrietta Yendall – born abt 1866, Sampford Courtenay, Devon (Daughter) Robert Yendall – born 20 Dec 1861, Falmouth, Cornwall (Son) – he was sent to South Africa when he was about 14 years old, and died in 1933, Manleys Flats, Eastern Cape, South Africa. I can only find them in the 1871 Census, were John Yendall (father/head) was a dock labourer. I’m looking for the parents and syblings of John Yendall born abt 1831, and his wife Fanny Mile born abt 1830. I have the South African Estate Papers, and the British Birth Certificate of Robert Yendall. X was used as the mark of "Fanny's" signature, and family name is stated as "MILE". I have also got the marriage entry of Kate Yendall's marriage to John Davey in 1875 in Uny-Lelant, where the witnesses are John and Fanny Yendall resident in St Ives at the time. 10 April 1875 by Banns John Davey 21 miner of Camborne, sojourner in S. Uny Lelant (father: John Benedew, miner) Kate Yendell 21 of S. Uny Lelant (father: John Yendell, laborer) Witnesses: John Yendell (of St Ives), Fanny Yendel Any information would be most appreciated. Kind Regards, SHERRYL Robert Birth 1871 Census Robert Yendall
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Post by sue on Feb 7, 2015 11:30:24 GMT -5
Well as a 1st step, FREECEN has what is probably the family in 1861, since the address is Smithick Hill Falmouth same as on Robert's birth certificate,
YANDELL John Head M M 39 Dock Lab Devon - Whimple YANDELL Eliza Wife M F 32 Dock Labs Wife Cornwall - Helston YANDELL John Son U M 7 Scholar Cornwall - Truro YANDELL Caroline Dau U F 5 Scholar Devon - Paignton
And if it is their Kate that married at Lelant 1875, it may well be their James John Y age 23, father rail labourer, who married at Lelant 8 January 1876 to Matilda Hammitt/Hammill who can be found with her daughter & mother at Lelant 1881.....
Sue
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Post by sue on Feb 7, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
You will want to track down John Yendall in 1851 & 1841 initially I would think... But then you might want to consider Whimple, his declared birthplace. Wikipedia tells me Whimple is 9 miles east of Exeter, & 3 miles from Ottery St Mary. Whimple you can see has its own church - but John may not have been baptized there, perhaps the vicar did a circuit of the local churches; or perhaps John was baptized non-conformist. I would however expect him to be baptized within a short distance of home as mode of transport would probably have been walking or back of a cart - and if you look on FamilySearch accordingly, I think you will find a possible candidate - & those parents are visible in 1841 census. By 1841 your John could well have been away from his parents, labouring for someone else; and yes, I can see a candidate in 1841, by looking at the location of the many John Yendal/Yandel (variants) of age 15 +/- 5 years and seeing which location is not so far from Whimple. But, I really wouldn't rush in without building up more of a rounded picture 1st, initially 1851 census (he could be working anywhere)) and marriage. (OOps! That's pretty solidly Devon for a West Cornwall forum!!) Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 8, 2015 3:13:13 GMT -5
Following on from the good work of Sue I decided to see if I could fill in a few more gaps for you. It proved quite a challenge but I do finally have some answers for you. I had tried just about every combination and variation I could think of to find further children for John and Fanny and also a marriage but nothing I tried brought any success. I could also find nothing about Fanny/Frances Mile in any records and it was only after it occurred to me that something might be not quite right with that name that the thinking part of my brain started to kick into action!! I suddenly realized that Mile is not what would be termed a 'Cornish name' but there is another name common to the Helston area that certainly IS Cornish - MOYLE!! I had found nothing searching for a possible marriage using variations of Yendall so I tried again with Moyle and found the following in FreeBMD:- March Qtr 1852 Redruth Registration District Volume 9 Page 411 YANDLE John MOYLE Frances That appears to be either a Registry Office marriage or possible a Non-conformist marriage in which case I do not have access to the actual marriage record. Purchasing the Marriage Certificate might be the only means of being certain of the name of the father's of both John and Fanny/Frances. Now I had another look at the 1851 Census and with this new information I have two possible candidates for Fanny Moyle:- 1851 at Helston - Fanny Moyle age 22, born Helston, enumerated as granddaughter to John Repper, hairdresser 1851 at Wendron - Fanny Moyle age 20, born Wendron, enumerated with parents James and Ann Moyle I need to point out that Helston was originally a Borough of Wendron and the Parish of Helston was formed out of a small section of the Southwest part of Wendron. So when a birthplace of Helston is recorded it is very possible that the baptism took place at Wendron. The baptisms of these two girls 'appear' to be as follows:- Frances daughter of Edward and Susannah Moyle of Boquio, blacksmith, baptized 14th October 1830 at Wendron Francis daughter of James and Ann Moyle of Carnbenellis, miner, baptized 28th October 1831 at Wendron Edward Moyle married Susannah Polkingorn 16th October 1821 at Wendron James Moyle married Ann Richards 21st October 1820 at Wendron Now I cannot work out how the first child might be a granddaughter of John Repper ...... unless there is yet another Frances/Fanny Moyle OR her mother was a widow when she married Edward Moyle. Going back to the 1841 Census has provided me with some more work to do! I found the family of James and Ann Moyle at Calvadnack, Wendron. There were 8 children living at home including Faney age 10. But to confuse matters I found the family of Edward and Susannah Moyle up at Illogan only this time daughter Fanny is recorded as being just 6 years old! AHA! - after checking baptism records again I find another Frances/Fanny baptized to Edward and Susannah Moyle at Wendron in 1834. That indicates the daughter baptized in 1830 must have died so she is eliminated from proceedings. BUT - that does not automatically mean that it was the daughter of James and Ann who married John Yandle. In 1841 I found yet another Fanny Moyle only this time the family is at Sithney which is immediately to the West of Wendron and Helston. In this case I believe I have a match for the Fanny at Helston in 1851 with grandfather John Repper:- 1841 Census St John's, Sithney John MOYLE, 50, shoe maker Wm MOYLE, 17, shoe maker Joan MOYLE, 15 Fanny MOYLE, 12 Stephen MOYLE, 10 Caroline MOYLE, 4 Now I seem to recall the name Caroline being used in the family of John and Fanny Yendall so the above family might be the one you are looking for. Some details for this family:- John MOYLE and Elizabeth REPPER, both of Helston, were married at Helston by Banns 24th December 1815 - Witnesses - Richd. Allen, William Perry Children Sally baptized 27th March 1818 Helston Elizabeth baptized 27th March 1818 Helston John baptized 20th August 1820 Helston Wesleyan Methodist Circuit (born 4th August 1820) William baptized 27th June 1824 Helston Wesleyan Methodist Circuit (born 31st May 1824) I cannot find baptisms for any of the other children recorded in the 1841 Census which, unfortunately, includes Fanny. However the Census record is clear and I do believe this is probably the girl who married John Yendall/Yandle. I also had a bit of a look in 1851 for John Yendall but the closest candidate I think I can find that might fit the information we have is a John YANDLE, age 21, birthplace unknown, who is employed as an agricultural labourer to John Hunt at Kings Nympton in Devon. CT
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Post by sue on Feb 8, 2015 10:09:34 GMT -5
Sherryl, you know that John Yendall was in the St Ives area in the 1870s. If you have a look for John Yendall's death on FBMD post 1871, I think you might find it in the Penzance RD December Q 1875 (i.e. in the Reg. District that includes St Ives, Lelant...) - given that his is not a Cornish name, so there are few other candidates for this death... In fact, I see that his death is on the OPC website: www.cornwall-opc-database.orgDangerous business, building railway lines. There's a report about him in the Royal Cornwall Gazette 9 October 1875 edition. www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.ukand should also be on FMP. Now that's a good find, though I say so myself! I would suggest that given the declared age at death of 53 (which can be inaccurate it is true, depending on who was the informant) you have a think about the declared 1871 age of 40 you say, and the 1861 declared age of 39. Now, do adults generally under or overdeclare their age??? (Assuming a "9" on the original census image has not been misinterpreted as a "0".) This might help you firm up an idea as to which of the FS baptisms in FS that took place near Whimple Devon is likely to be him. Myself I consider it helpful supporting evidence for the baptism I previously considered the best candidate..... Having said which, this does sound like a case where for once splashing out on the purchase of John & Fanny's apparent marriage certificate - that CT has found the date of for you - might be worthwhile.... since it seems it may not be a stone bonkered case as to the parentage of either John or Fanny. Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 9, 2015 3:30:34 GMT -5
Sherryl - I have checked further on some of the information provided by Sue as well as more information from Roy White. I can tell you that both are correct and that after John Yendall died his widow Fanny married again to John Hawke at Lelant in 1876. Details for most of the information, including Fanny's second marriage, can be found on the OPC site. And I can tell you that my conclusions about the parentage of Fanny have been confirmed by details in the marriage record of 1876. CT
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sherryl
Noweth
I'm hoping for assitance with the Yendall & Cook families from Cornwall & Devon 1830's to 1890's
Posts: 12
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Post by sherryl on Feb 9, 2015 9:10:17 GMT -5
Hi,
I can't thank you enough for the information and help - you really blew my ship out of the water with the replies. I've put another query in YENDALL & COOK FAMILY - It's long, and maybe a little confusing. Now I'm going put the information you've given me into my tree. I will keep you updated, and hope you will not mind me asking more questions.
Till later!
Sherryl
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 9, 2015 12:22:49 GMT -5
Sherryl - I suggest that before you go rushing off and adding things to your family tree that you first take the time to work through and check all the information we have offered. Use the OPC site, check Census records and also take the time to locate and view images from the original registers that are available on FamilySearch. Not everything for every Parish is available but most of the items we have mentioned should be there. ALWAYS check information for yourself from original sources if possible or at least use the above sites to verify what we have told you. It is always possible we may have noted a date incorrectly for example so - check, check and check!! CT
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sherryl
Noweth
I'm hoping for assitance with the Yendall & Cook families from Cornwall & Devon 1830's to 1890's
Posts: 12
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Post by sherryl on Feb 9, 2015 13:29:28 GMT -5
Thank you, I'm going to check, check and check again now.
Sherryl
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 9, 2015 21:35:12 GMT -5
That's the way. Never take anything for granted but note sources of information and wherever possible check for authenticity and accuracy. If you have a query about a piece of information then note it fur further research. CT
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 13, 2015 10:20:35 GMT -5
Hello Sherryl, Ref your John Yendall born 1831 Ihave located the following J. Y.1841 aged 10 1851[notrace ] 1861aged29 1871aged 39 1881 aged 49 Occupation Tin Plate Worker Exeter. J.Y. Dock Worker 1861 aged39 Dob 1822 Hope this helps Regards roadrunner
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sherryl
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I'm hoping for assitance with the Yendall & Cook families from Cornwall & Devon 1830's to 1890's
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Post by sherryl on Feb 14, 2015 10:38:52 GMT -5
Hi Roadrunner, Thanks for the info will check those Census to see which one he is, and get back to you.
Regards,
SHERRYL
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sherryl
Noweth
I'm hoping for assitance with the Yendall & Cook families from Cornwall & Devon 1830's to 1890's
Posts: 12
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Post by sherryl on May 10, 2015 6:26:33 GMT -5
Hi All, I have been checking/searching and have found some documentation on the Yendall family that I would like to share with you, as it may assist someone else as well. Missing Report in the Police Gazette in Australia dated 1912. Where Robert Yendall from Manleys Flats, South Africa is looking for his brother John Yendall, as well as a Found Report in the same Gazette. Further I found the baptism of: James John Yendall (not John as stated in the 1871 Census - although he may have been called on his second name) - Born in 1853 & baptised 5 June 1853 in Truro - The parents names are John Yendall and Fanny Moyle. So the marriage that was found for me in 1876, Uny-Leleant of James John Yendall and Matilda Hammill is the correct one. Correct me if I may be wrong, but I don't think that John Yendall (1831) was married before to a Eliz/Elizabeth, and therefore did not have a sister Caroline. Kate Yendall was born on the 7 August 1855 and baptised in Paignton, Devon on the 21 October 1859. Parents are stated as John and Fanny Yendall. Henrietta Yendall was born in 1865 and baptised 9 December 1867 in Ashburton, Devon. Parents names are stated as John and Fanny Yendall. I do have the downloaded documents if they are required. I'm still unable to find John Yendall (1831 Whimples) parents on any records. I have sent away for the marriage of John and Frances in 1852 in Redruth, but if anyone could assist me in the mean time, it would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Sherryl P.S. Sorry I put my message in the wrong place, but I'm learning fast and there's always room for improvement on my side
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Post by sue on May 10, 2015 14:07:45 GMT -5
Hi Sherryl Robert Yendall's birth certificate 1861 gave address Smithick Hill Falmouth; how many Yendall (variant) families can you find at that address in 1861 census? I also believe Kate is a known variant on the name Caroline. John Whimple Senior's birth - why are you hung up on 1831 as his birth year? His burial recorded age in 1875 was 53. So, if you go back to what I suggested in my post in February, where I explained the location of Whimple being 3 miles from Ottery St Mary & 9 miles from Exeter which you can see for yourself on Googlemaps, and then do a search on FamilySearch for John Yendal (variant) baptized anytime between 1820 to say 1832 Devon, I would say again, I think you will find the record there fairly easily, naming his parents. And consequently, you will find John in 1841 census, working a few miles away from his parents who are I recall still alive. However, I remain of the opinion, from the information in the several threads about him on this forum and your posts elsewhere, I think it was Ancestry? that contradict what you said here - and I appreciate it was only hearsay oral "evidence" anyway - that the Yendall family are not blood ancestors of yours. Sue
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Post by lucille on Dec 2, 2016 9:09:25 GMT -5
Hi All, I have been checking/searching and have found some documentation on the Yendall family that I would like to share with you, as it may assist someone else as well. Missing Report in the Police Gazette in Australia dated 1912. Where Robert Yendall from Manleys Flats, South Africa is looking for his brother John Yendall, as well as a Found Report in the same Gazette. Further I found the baptism of: James John Yendall (not John as stated in the 1871 Census - although he may have been called on his second name) - Born in 1853 & baptised 5 June 1853 in Truro - The parents names are John Yendall and Fanny Moyle. So the marriage that was found for me in 1876, Uny-Leleant of James John Yendall and Matilda Hammill is the correct one. Correct me if I may be wrong, but I don't think that John Yendall (1831) was married before to a Eliz/Elizabeth, and therefore did not have a sister Caroline. Kate Yendall was born on the 7 August 1855 and baptised in Paignton, Devon on the 21 October 1859. Parents are stated as John and Fanny Yendall. Henrietta Yendall was born in 1865 and baptised 9 December 1867 in Ashburton, Devon. Parents names are stated as John and Fanny Yendall. I do have the downloaded documents if they are required. I'm still unable to find John Yendall (1831 Whimples) parents on any records. I have sent away for the marriage of John and Frances in 1852 in Redruth, but if anyone could assist me in the mean time, it would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Sherryl P.S. Sorry I put my message in the wrong place, but I'm learning fast and there's always room for improvement on my side
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