Family of John Trewhella and Caroline Botheras of Sennen

[tenpoundpom]

Some help please!

This family has been mentioned in past threads, but I'm missing a bit of information. Hope it can be filled in!

Firstly, what I know (or think I know!)

John Trewhella (abt 1830 - 1910), carpenter/builder marries Caroline Botheras (abt 1836 - 1911) in 1855 at Sennen.

I can find 7 children.
These are
1. John (1856-1856)
2. Sarah Ann ( 1859 - ). Married to Richard Edmund Wilson, Lighthouse keeper. 9 children of whom I've identified 8.
3. John Trewhella (1864 - 1895). ? Never married. Architect. Dies in Africa
4. Richard Botheras (1867 - 1868)
5. Martha Wallis (1871 - ). Married to James Harry. 3 children of whom I've identified 2.
6. Richard Botheras (1873 - ). I lose him after 1901 census
7. William (1800 - ). Married to Lillian Mitchell. ? no children.

What I don't know

1. Did John and Caroline have any other children? There are significant gaps between some of the births - especially between Richard the second and William
2. The second John dies in Africa. Is the whereabouts and the circumstances known?
3. Did Richard the second stay in England or did he pop up somewhere else in the world. Did he marry?
4. Did William and Lillian have any children?

and finally...

A William Thomas Trewhella was buried 8 Sept 1897, aged 4 weeks, at Sennen. His residence was recorded as Treeve (which is where the family was resident for a while). Short of springing for a certificate, is the mother and father of the baby known?

Thanks for any help.

Simon

[Cornish Terrier]

Simon - I can answer some, but not yet all, of your queries I think.

3. John Trewhella (1864 - 1895). ? Never married. Architect. Dies in Africa
2. The second John dies in Africa. Is the whereabouts and the circumstances known?

I do not recall having any information about John so I suspect the information you have here might be all new to me. Do you have any sources for this that I might be able to pursue?
I also know nothing about him being an 'Architect'. In fact in my records which I think come from the Census I have him as an 'Artist'.

To my knowledge there were no children other than those you have listed.

As far as I am aware the second Richard never married. I believe he is the Richard Trewhella age 47 buried 9th February 1922 Penzance Municipal Cemetery.

William and Lillian had no children.
William died at Hawthorn Cottage, Rosewarne, Gwinear 9th January 1925 age 44 and was buried at Gwinear four days later.

CT

[tenpoundpom]

Jul 28, 2014 8:24:55 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

I do not recall having any information about John so I suspect the information you have here might be all new to me. Do you have any sources for this that I might be able to pursue?
I also know nothing about him being an 'Architect'. In fact in my records which I think come from the Census I have him as an 'Artist'.
CT

That he was an architect is recorded in this ad from 'Cornishman' 10 Aug 1893. page 1 col 1.

"Tenders.

TENDERS are invited for the erection of a NEW
INFANTS' SCHOOL, to enlarge the present Board-
school at Sennen; the plans, specifications, and condi-
tions of which may be seen at the address written below.
SEALED TENDERS must be sent to the undersigned on
or before Thursday, August 24th, 1893.
The lowest, or any, tender will not necessarily be ac-
cepted.
(Signed)
JOHN TREWHELLA, jun., architect.
Sea-view-house, S. Sennen, Land's-end."

Sea View house is the residence of his father, shown on other records.
The 1891 census does list his occupation as "Artist". I don't whether he described himself as such then, or whether the Ennumerator mistranscribed the household sheet into the book he returned.

Another notice in "Cornishman" reports that he died in Africa.
10 October 1895, page 5, col 1

"Death of a young Sennen man in Africa.-
The many friends of Mr John Trewhella, of Sennen, will
be surprised to hear that from Africa has come the sad
tidings of the death of his son. John Trewhella, who only
left a month or two ago. Great sympathy is felt for the
family. Mr J. Trewhella, jun, it will be remembered,
was clerk of that parish for many years. But Africa had
greater attractions than the clerkship of Sennen."

If you would like a pdf copy of the whole page of these, happy to send by email.

Thanks for the other info in your post.

Simon

[londoner]

Speculation, always dangerous, might suggest that WilliamThomas buried age 4 weeks was likely to be the son of Samuel Warren Trewhella an d Mary Phillips Tonkin, since his father was William,Thomas and they were lving at Sennen Churchtown in 1891 which is where Treeve is.

[londoner]

Additionally their first child, Mary Elizabeth was buried in 188 age 6 weeks, also of Treeve

[londoner]

Did you notice that Martha's husband James Harry is listed as a gold miner?. Perhaps he also went to Africa. He is not with the family in 1911. The third child you mentioned was deceased by 1911.

[tenpoundpom]

Jul 28, 2014 19:07:50 GMT -5 londoner said:

Speculation, always dangerous, might suggest that WilliamThomas buried age 4 weeks was likely to be the son of Samuel Warren Trewhella an d Mary Phillips Tonkin, since his father was William,Thomas and they were lving at Sennen Churchtown in 1891 which is where Treeve is.

Thanks.
Samuel & Mary were definitely on my list of suspects! I've just checked the 1911 census, and it records says that of 5 children, 2 have died. In the absence of other evidence to the contrary, I think you've cracked it. Thanks!

[Cornish Terrier]

Simon - yes please - if you could send those pdfs it would save me searching for them.

A William Thomas Trewhella was buried 8 Sept 1897, aged 4 weeks, at Sennen. His residence was recorded as Treeve (which is where the family was resident for a while). Short of springing for a certificate, is the mother and father of the baby known?

Seems I got preoccupied with other part of your post and missed a couple of points including this one.

After checking my old records it seems that I never saw any Sennen baptism registers beyond 1895 when I was at the CRO in 1994. and I certainly don't have anything beyond that date in my collection now. For that reason young William Thomas has not previously been entered into my database.
However all the evidence now certainly points to him being the son of Samuel and Mary Trewhella so I have now entered him as part of that family.

2. Sarah Ann ( 1859 - ). Married to Richard Edmund Wilson, Lighthouse keeper. 9 children of whom I've identified 8.

I also have only 8 children for Sarah so the 9th was probably born and died between Census years. Looking at the list of known children suggests this last child might possibly be found between 1884 and 1888 so I will take a look shortly.

5. Martha Wallis (1871 - ). Married to James Harry. 3 children of whom I've identified 2.

Until tonight I only had Olive in my database but after checking the 1911 Census I have now added Florence who was baptized at Madron 14th October 1908 (born 18th September). And I think I can also now identify the missing third child:-

Gladys Harry of Treeve S.Sennen age 4 months buried 12th January 1902 Sennen

There were two Gladys Harry births recorded in 1901 and the age of 4 months suggests the one we want is that recorded in the September Qtr.

That fills in another couple of gaps methinks!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

2. Sarah Ann ( 1859 - ). Married to Richard Edmund Wilson, Lighthouse keeper. 9 children of whom I've identified 8.

Another one identified!!

Violet Wilson of Trinity Buildings S.Sennen age 8 months buried 16th November 1898 Sennen

Violet Wilson born June Qtr 1898 Penzance R.D.

CT

[tenpoundpom]

Jul 28, 2014 8:24:55 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

William and Lillian had no children.
William died at Hawthorn Cottage, Rosewarne, Gwinear 9th January 1925 age 44 and was buried at Gwinear four days later.

CT

I've had a second look at the 1911 census (the image this time) . It appears that William & Lillian did have at least 1 child who died before census time. Given they had only been married 2 years at the time of census, I think the child must be either William (1910-1910) registered in Penzance, or Margery (1910-1910) registered in Helston. Given the RD William would appear to be the more likely. Can't find any entries on OPC for either.

Simon

[Cornish Terrier]

I must be slipping .... I missed that!

William does seem the most likely and in fact the evidence so far suggests he must be the child but I would like to see something a little more definitive.

It is also a good idea to check the available facts to ensure correctness. You mentioned that William and Lillian had been married for two years and in fact the Census information shows that they had COMPLETED two years of marriage.

Truth of the matter is that the marriage took place at Gwinear 1st January 1910 which means that in reality there had been only ONE YEAR of marriage completed!

Like I said - more definitive information is required but we can probably eliminate Margery. There is something not quite right in this scenario but I suspect Margery is the unnamed Trewhella child buried at Crowan 19th January 1910 age 3 days.
The 'not quite right' part of this is that FreeBMD shows Margery's death registered in the March Qtr of 1910 yet the birth appears to have been registered in the June Qtr! This is not outside the realms of possibility as the Doctor would have probably been responsible for registering the death and would have done so promptly. Registration of a birth probably book a couple of weeks under normal circumstances anyway.

So what we have to do now is to try and find something to confirm whether or not William was the missing child.

CT