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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2013 14:33:42 GMT -5
Hmmm - thinking, thiking, thinking! What about a visit to the Penzance Register Office? Or perhaps even a nice enquiring note? You might just be able to get the information you want without having actually spend the money to buy the certificate! Or at least a kind clerk might just provide some basic information for what might amount to a token payment. I think you should find that copies of all BMD Registrations for the Penzance R.D. should still be held at Penzance. I know that I went there in person back in 1994 and watched while the Clerk went through the registers to find what I wanted and then copied the information to certificates in front of me. CT
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 25, 2013 17:03:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately, all the records are kept at Truro now. Penzance Register Office people used to be so helpful; they rang me up once to tell me that the records I asked for didn't correspond with all the data I had given, and that they had looked through the records for 10 years either side and still hadn't found anything. Didn't charge me a penny for looking either. The good old days Am racking my brains (such as they are) to find another way to get the information, but am at a loss at the moment. x
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Post by Tonkin on Jun 25, 2013 19:23:43 GMT -5
I also searched the South Australian marriages and deaths for Elizabeth ROWE but did not find her. Will spend some time in the Victorian records today. It does not hurt for another pair of eyes to double check the records because it is very easy to miss things. They were not very good at spelling in the early days and I have come across the name ROWE under the spelling of ROE. Roy ... from Down Under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2013 2:15:19 GMT -5
Well Cornishmaid m'dear - I think there can be very little lost by trying the 'can you please help a damsel in distress' approach with Truro also. You never know, they may just turn out to be equally as helpful as those nice people at Penzance. CT
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 26, 2013 16:43:53 GMT -5
Tried that before and no joy; was just told to fill in the correct forms online My cousin has found the following marriage: Apr/May/June Qtr 1888, Penzance RD, Richard Lander and Elizabeth Rowe. Might this be where Elizabeth disappeared to? I can't find a marriage for them in St Ives, and am too tired to investigate further tonight. The St Ives Archive Centre don't hold papers for that period, so I might have yet another certificate to order. I shall look into it again tomorrow. It would be great if Elizabeth had at last been found though
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Post by Tonkin on Jun 26, 2013 19:53:07 GMT -5
And there was no joy from the Victorian records cornishmaid. I found a few marriages for Elizabeth Jane ROWE from Cornwall, but having located their deaths confirmed they were not your Elizabeth. I'm starting to think she may not have come to Australia. Roy ... from Down Under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2013 22:03:56 GMT -5
Cornishmaid - are you capable of jumping up and down, singing and dancing and shouting BINGO! QUIETLY!! The Cornishman - Thursday, May 3, 1888 LANDER - ROWE - May 1, at the register-office, Penzance, Mr. Richard Lander to Miss Elizabeth Rowe, both of St. Ives. This does not quite tell us exactly who Elizabeth Rowe is but a few other things I have found certainly indicate that she is more than likely your missing Elizabeth! 1891 Census - Beach, St Ives Elizabeth LANDER, head, mar., 48, supported by husband a sailor, St Ives John do., son, single, 20, stonemason, St Ives James do., son, single, 18, boat builder's apprentice, St Ives Mary do., daur, single, 16, St Ives Daniel do., son, 10, scholar, St Ives That is not really helpful as it appears Elizabeth was the mother of these children. But if you go back to the previous Census you will find these same children at Court Cocking but with mother Mary J Lander whose carpenter husband was also away. Cross-checking with FreeBMD and then looking at the 1871 Census shows that the husband was certainly Richard Lander. Richard Lander was baptised at St Ives 6th December 1840 son of Richard Lander, carpenter, and Grace Thomas (nee Hart) who were married at St Ives 18th November 1833. Richard married Mary Jane COUCH in the March Qtr of 1868, presumably in one of the Chapels or, possibly, the registry office. Three of the children were baptised St Ives Primitive Methodist Circuit but I have been unable to find baptisms for James (1873) or Daniel (1880). Mary Jane Lander died at St Ives 25th April 1883 age 44 and was buried at Barnoon. The Barnoon records do not have a date of burial but the Barnoon Cemetery MIs give her date of death as well as other members of the family. Richard Lander died at St Ives 6th June 1913 age 72 and was buried at Barnoon Cemetery 10th June 1913 Section C Grave 3D Elizabeth Lander died at St Ives 26th October 1933 age 90 and was buried at Barnoon Cemetery 29th October 1933 Section C Grave D3 Upper Western. She was noted as 'widow of Richard Lander'. Ummmm - does that help at all? CT
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Post by londoner on Jun 27, 2013 7:42:07 GMT -5
Give a dog a bone and he'll chew at it until it is all gone. Looks like the marriage certificate is the one to order to be sure it is the right Elizabeth.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2013 8:25:43 GMT -5
Although I hate anyone having to spend the money unnecessarily I do agree with Londoner's comment. Everything now points to Elizabeth being the daughter of Henry and Jane but we do really need that one little piece of information to confirm it. I have now tracked Elizabeth right through to 1911 and unfortunately there is never a time after 1881 (and after she is married) when there is any relative present. The Family Notice in The Cornishman gives only the names of bride and groom and the fact they were both from St Ives which means the only possible source left to confirm Elizabeth's origins is the marriage certificate.
Unless of course someone out there has the Family Bible tucked away in a drawer somewhere??
CT
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Post by sue on Jun 27, 2013 12:53:43 GMT -5
Maybe things have changed at GRO recently (& I think you maybe get slightly different info by going to the national register rather than the local office copies) but I successfully filled in the application form for a marriage certificate for my GGfather, using the link to GRO ordering on FreeBMD, and supplied the details of groom's father, groom's age etc for them to check before they took my money & sent me the certificate. (I needed to do this, 'cos he married several times, & had a common surname.) I got a nice reply saying the marriage I thought I was interested in did not match the details I had supplied, so they would not take my money. (& I didn't get an irrelevant certificate.) The FreeBMD site still has this: In my case I did quote a GRO ref. number, but supplied the extra info about the groom & his father for identification purposes in a box for same that was available on the online ordering form. I can only say, using this national service worked for me! (But of course, if the GRO info is a match with the info one supplies, you do get charged - & sent the certificate, naturally.) Sue
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 27, 2013 14:08:57 GMT -5
Well it's pay day today... so I'd better get on with ordering that certificate I haven't ordered any for a while, so I think it's about time I treated myself. Oh, and whilst doing so, I shall be celebrating with a large glass of wine Thank you so much. I really am extremely grateful for all your valuable time, spent in helping. I also have that particular Richard Lander's parents in my family tree; St Ives is a small place you know ;-) Bex x
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Post by Tonkin on Jul 21, 2013 8:10:04 GMT -5
Hi Cornishmaid. Just wondering if you sent away for that certificate before you enjoyed that large glass of wine. Roy ... from Down Under.
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Post by cornishmaid on Aug 12, 2013 14:43:11 GMT -5
Still waiting for that certificate.. I'm not sure why this one is taking so long. As soon as it arrives, I will update you all
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 12, 2013 15:58:36 GMT -5
They will probably blame the weather!
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Post by cornishmaid on Aug 19, 2013 15:43:04 GMT -5
At long last... ta dah! Marriage Certificate received, details as follows: Marriage solemnized at the Register Office in the District of Penzance in the County of Cornwall No. 126; Date: 1st May 1888 - Richard Lander, 48 years, Widower, Carpenter Residence: Court Cocking; Father: Richard Lander (deceased), Carpenter. Elizabeth Rowe, 44 years, Spinster Residence: Back road; Father: Henry Rowe (deceased), Mariner Witnesses: Sally Burrell Jennings & Sarah Nicholls
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