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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2010 9:26:19 GMT -5
Sue - I decided to begin a new thread for Michael Curnow beginning with your last comments in the Glasson thread. [quoteJust a final thought on Michael Curnow/Renoden of Towednack 1775 - 1829; I see the Blanch nee Edwards wife of Michael Curnow in Towednack who baptized their 1st child Thomas also in Towednack 1775, died age 79 in 1831. I wonder if the will per CRO for Michael Curnow yeoman of Towednack 1838 could possibly be her elderly widower, there not seeming to be many other Michael Curnow yeomen around in Towednack at that time. There could be an outside chance of mentions of interest in this will if so, should he be linked to Michael Curnow/Renoden, given that the younger Michael had started being "officially" known by the name Curnow part way through his, Michael the younger's, middle years. Indeed there are other paternity candidates, I can see, thanks. I may put this on a list for documents of future interest. And I must now back off as this is a Glasson thread! Sue ][/quote] It seems that I must have some details of this Will somewhere amongst my paperwork. My source for the Burial of Michael is Rick Parsons of WPR and I am wondering if it might have been he who supplied me with the details. I do have recorded that the Will was written in 1834 but not proved until 7th September 1840. I also have noted that there was a bequest in that Will to his WIFE ................... ELIZABETH!! Up to right now I have not been able to find the marriage to Elizabeth but I will have another look now to see if it might be among the new resources. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2010 9:48:07 GMT -5
Hmmm - it all begins to come back to me! There seems to be only one marriage that would fit:- Michael CURNOW m. Elizabeth MATTHEWS 3rd July 1831 Zennor Unfortunately this marriae occurred a month before Blanch was buried! It is also unfortunate that I don't have access to the Zennor PR for this time because there is nothing in the Zennor Banns to help. Something is not quite right about all of this. I have no further information regarding the above marriage - i.e. no idea about Michael Curnow or who he belongs to. So I have to wonder if there is an error here somewhere. The marriage is recorded twice - in the Hoblyn Transcript that I have and also by the CFHS and both indicate the same date. Could it be that the date of Burial for Blanch is in error? Without access to the Towednack PR it is not possible to tell. CT
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Post by sue on Aug 29, 2010 14:58:48 GMT -5
Couple of quick thoughts. 1stly, Michael Curnow who was married to Blanch Edwards in 1774 would have been c 80 in the 1830s, if still alive, so a further marriage would have been a tad ambitious.... But why not?! There is another Michael Curnow marriage to an Elizabeth that I can see on OPC (to be the man of the 1838 Towednack will): 7 Feb 1832 Michael Curnow widower of Towednack marries spinster Elizabeth Maddern in Madron. 1841 census has 3 "independent" ladies at Breja Towednack: Elizabeth Curnow age 60, Catherine & Ann "Madron" ages 70 & 68. 1851 census has Elizabeth Curnow independent farmer's widow age 72 (born Zennor) next to Brega, looking like the same lady... My attempt to sort out some of the Michael Curnows this afternoon collapsed house of cards fashion! So I am now quite confused... But this Renoden link below I quite liked.... The St Ives burial also mentioned in the West Briton of Michael Curnow age 81/84 January 1836 would fit with the will date of Michael Curnow of Towednack we were looking at, and with a 1750s birth date that would fit for the man that married Blanch Edwards. Given that Michael and Blanch named their 1stborn Thomas, 1775, I would have expected - but it may be otherwise - Michael to be son of Thomas Curnow & Mary (Renoden? ) bptzd 25 Jan 1851 Towednack rather than another Michael (perfect fit for age 84 30 Dec 1835 death). But I wouldn't really be expecting him to die & be buried in St Ives if his will is "of Towednack"... I think there is some more sorting out of Michael Curnows needed! Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2010 15:20:33 GMT -5
BINGO!! Sue - you have hit the nail right on the head. Funnily enough when I tabbed back to my OPC window I now discover that I had brought up the list of Michael Curnow marriages but not looked at it! And now that I have read your note I also find that the following from the 1841 Census makes perfect sense:- 1841 Buza, Towednack Elizabeth CURNOW, 60, Independent Catharine MADRON, 70, Ind Ann Madron, 68, Ind This is the widow of Michael Curnow most likely with her sisters. Michael was certainly the son of Thomas and Mary (nee Renoden) so everything is coming together nicely. There is still the 1731 marriage to sort out but I think apart from that one I now have the Michael Curnows pretty well sorted out. But it would be a good idea for you to have a look at them and then fire the questions at me so that I can be sure. CT
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Post by sue on Aug 29, 2010 16:08:13 GMT -5
OK; good; progress! My Michael Curnow house of cards this afternoon was done literally on the back of an envelope scribbled on this way & that, with arrows, crossings out... - a large envelope mind, but I then realised I hadn't opened the letter, so tore the scribblings as I did.... So will have another go at Michaels tomorrow Bank Holiday here, which will hopefully go better....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 30, 2010 2:22:42 GMT -5
Sue - I need to step back a little from my comment about having most of the Michael Curnows sorted out! I realised later that there is one further problem apart from the identity of the Michael who married in 1831. Although there appears to be no doubt that the Michael who married Blanch Edwards must have been the child baptised in 1752 to Thomas and Mary at Towednack the family is not quite clear cut. There are four sons to Thomas Curnow and Mary (nee Renoden) for whom there appears no problem:- Hannibal 1741-1743 Thomas 1743 Hannibal 1745-1769 Michael 1752-1838 But then we have the following also attributed to Thomas and Mary Curnow:- MICHAEL bp. 18th May 1760 Towednack Charity buried 24th November 1761 Towednack Christian buried 12th June 1763 Towednack This is another of those 'old' problems that was left to lie dormant for years. CT
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Post by sue on Aug 30, 2010 13:14:04 GMT -5
Nearly 2 years ago, in an effort to establish my own GGG...parents, I drew up spreadsheets for Towednack Curnow baptism & marriages. Having just dug out my paper copies, it loks like I was too tired to spreadsheet the burials too at that time, but I annotated ones I could match, onto the baptisms spreadsheet.
I think I updated/augmented the spreadsheets Spring this year, but haven't dug them out yet.
Anyway, I have 2 Thomas Curnow marriages to Marys in Towednack mid 18th century - Thomas Curnow m Mary Renowden to whom I have also ascribed the children, all boys, Hannibal Thomas Hannibal & the Michael we have married off to Blanch Edwards in 1774; and Thomas Curnow m Mary Mason 1756, for which Mary Curnow widow there is a 1782 will mentioning amongst others children by the name of Major. Ah-ha, I thought this afternoon, Mason should probably be Major - and now of course I find OPC has it transcribed as such (meant nothing to me at the time I did my original spreadsheet!): "Mary MASON (MAJOR)". Of St Erth. Her will leaves bequests to daughter Ann Hokins, daughter Mary, daughter Elizabeth Major, sons John & Robert Major and crucially, residue and executors sons William & Michael Curnow.
I would expect Michael Curnow bptzd Towednack 18 May 1760 to therefore be son of Thomas & Mary Major.
As to the burials of Charity & Christian, my spreadsheet has those burials as children to "a" Thomas & Mary Curnow marriage, with a "no christening?" So what with not knowing their ages, other than that they were not adults,that's no help.
I can't see any suitable Curnow children bptzd in St Erth, my Towednack or St Ives spreadsheets, or anywhere on OPC ; William, Charity or Christian.
But the above at least attributes one Michael baptism, I think.
Tantalizingly in my hardcopy file from 2 years ago, I see there was a Which William Curnow? thread 2007 that touched on having identified various Michael Curnows.
Anyway, I will start looking at the other Michael Curnows info I was playing with yesterday again shortly (when computer settles down....)
Sue
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Post by sue on Aug 30, 2010 13:44:12 GMT -5
Aaargh! Have just read the Michael Curnow thread from 2008. It marries Elizabeth Maddern off to another Michael! How does this fit with the 1841 census of Elizabeth Curnow farmer's widow in Towednack with (likely visitors) Catherine & Ann Madron (Maddern?) The 1835 death of Michael Curnow St Ives age 84 does happen to fit well with the 1851 baptism of Michael Curnow to Thomas & Mary of Towednack. But it may be wrong. A will of 1838 per CRO? And you quote a Towednack 1838 burial, I guess from Rick P? You mention a will drawn up 1834 not proved till 1840. Which mentions wife Elizabeth. And the will of 1838 per CRO is for Michael Curnow "of Towednack". So the Michael dying age 84 in St Ives 1735/6 must be another Michael (& I do have some going spare...) Perhaps "our" Michael, we think 1751 - 183?, was only ever married to Blanch....? Blanch being buried Towednack age 79 in 1831 ( & the age looks good to be Blanch wife of Michael who married 1774 rather than another Blanch), I would expect her to be living there. And I would really somehow expect husband Michael to be taken back to Towednack for burial. So not to die/be buried St Ives. And you have a better burial, 1838 (do you have an age with this, to confirm??) Help! ( & sorry the above may read like garbled rubbish.) Those were not the questions I was thinking I was going to ask! I'm not sure how to even start framing questions now! But I do have a few Michaels to consider; & that question in the 2008 thread as to who Michael Curnow of Lelant was, might "dispose" of one Michael....... ! Grasping at straws here!! Half wishing I hadn't started looking at this lot...!! Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 30, 2010 15:00:21 GMT -5
Okay - one note at a time I think is the order of the day! More memories resurfacing now and I was beginning to get extremely annoyed as I could not find the marriage of Thomas Curnow and Mary Major in my database. It is marked off in Phillimore as having been entered but simply is not there. It would appear that I must have been in the process of updating that part of the database and got myself side-tracked resulting in the work not being completed. I do not know the identity of Thomas Curnow but I can help with Mary Major. John MAJOR married Mary KESKEYS 28th October 1740 at St Hilary John was buried 16th April 1754 at St Erth and I think he was baptised at St Erth 16th March 1717 son of John. The children were John (1742), Anne (1744), Mary (1747), Robert (1751) and Elizabeth (1754) all baptised at St Erth. Right - I now have the database updated with the marriage to Thomas Curnow. Next part of this problem is that I could never find a baptism for son William who was named as an executor. Now, based on the date of writing of Mary Curnow's Will she was the Mary Curnow, widow, buried 24th October 1782 at Towednack. Presuming her husband was also buried at Towednack then it appears there is only one possibility:- Thomas Curnow buried 27th April 1764 This then leads to another interesting Burial:- Mary wife of Thomas Curnow buried 6th April 1773 Towednack And I have just worked out who this must have been. Thomas CURNOW married Mary STEVENS 30th March 1771 Towednack They had one daughter, Jane, baptised 6th April 1773 at Towednack so we have another case of a child baptised on the day one of the parents was buried. I would expect that Thomas may have remarried but ..................
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 30, 2010 16:35:27 GMT -5
And now back to the Michael Curnow situation. The 1835 burial at St Ives is believed to be the son of William and Jane (nee Daniel) who was baptised 31st December 1756 at St Ives. The age is out but then we don't know that Michael was baptised straight away given his baptism is five years after his previous sibling. So pencil him in for the moment as the man who married Patience Quick. The Lelant scenario is obviously flawed and I can say that now with confidence having read through the thread again and also checked the Lelant PRs. It would be very 'convenient' for Michael to have had a second and third wife both named Elizabeth ................. and most frustrating! However there is no burial at Lelant for the second wife (none anywhere that I can find) so it would be a little awkward for Michael to have married again prior to the baptism of youngest son Michael So mark Michael of Lelant with only two marriages. And keep Elizabeth Maddern is the second wife of Michael of Towednack who was buried in 1838 and named her in his Will. That's it for now and I am going to read through the old thread once again just to satisfy myself over a couple of points. And then it is sleep!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 30, 2010 17:59:42 GMT -5
Sue -regarding the burial of Michael Curnow age 84 at St Ives in 1835.
It is interesting to note that the West Briton mentions this burial and records the age as 81 which is certainly more of a match for the son of William and Jane. (And husband of Patience.)
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 30, 2010 18:07:18 GMT -5
One last Michael Curnow before I go for some sleep. Prior to the 1826 baptism at Towednack of Michael son of Michael and Sarah Curnow I have a burial for every Michael Curnow ................. except ONE! But I also have a baptism for every Michael Curnow ............... except ONE! A baptism in 1760 without a burial. A burial in 1789 without a baptism. It stands to reason then that this is one and the same person. Michael CURNOW married Mary JAMES 26th December 1787 Towednack Mary d/o Michael and Mary Curnow bp. 22nd September 1788 Towednack With no mention of Michael being widowed it means that this must have been the son of Thomas and Mary (nee Keskeys and formerly Major) Curnow. CT
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Post by sue on Aug 31, 2010 4:16:34 GMT -5
I think I lost my nerve last night & doubted everything I was beginning to match up! Thankyou for all your clear explanations, they look excellent to me. I will plot the Michaels again later. Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 31, 2010 5:26:51 GMT -5
It's alright Sue - I got a little lost myself there for a while! There is still one that might take a bit of explaining - I think it is the marriage to Anna Oliver. CT
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Post by sue on Sept 1, 2010 4:38:02 GMT -5
Just noted that a Michael Curnow was not great friends with the Renodens in Towednack in 1774...
Sue
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