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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2011 3:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by cornishglassons on Jun 25, 2011 17:35:53 GMT -5
Thanks so much, CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2011 2:35:15 GMT -5
Always happy to be of help. You may find a couple of others there that you would like to know about also. CT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 4:53:35 GMT -5
Ann, the wife of Robert, mentioned here most likely died in 1890 at Grenefer in Illogan, aged 66 years. The interesting part of the death record is that the informant was her son in law William Semmens.
William Semmens appears in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses at Illogan, married to Jane. In the 1881 census Jane is without William, but has three stepdaughters living with her as well as two of her own children. It is clear that this Jane is the daughter of Robert and Ann referred to above.
There is no marriage for Jane Glasson to a William Semmens and I spent some time looking for one. Given the ages of the step daughters and the natural children in the 1881 census, the likely marriage dates are between 1869 and 1877.
There is a marriage in the Helston district in 1873 where, of the four people in the FreeBMD record, there is one William Semmens and there is also one Jane Ivey.
I am sure that this family always knew they were not legally Glassons.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 10, 2012 7:02:54 GMT -5
I should think an ID check on William Henry at least might be an interesting experience for the authorities! Birth registered as William Henry SPURR Baptised as William Henry IVEY or GLASSON CT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 14:19:36 GMT -5
Of course it is interesting to note that this Robert and Ann have a lot of descendants, and although Glasson by blood, and therefore for the sake of a marriage certificate, Glassons anyway.... but legally they are all IVEYs
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 10, 2012 16:16:55 GMT -5
Are they? You must remember that by the time Robert Glasson came along Mary Ivey had borne two children to John SPUR to whom she had been married. By my reckoning that means her legal name at the time of her liaisons with Robert Glasson would have been SPUR. That being the case and as she had not married Robert Glasson then it follows that the legal name for all the children by Robert Glasson should have been SPUR! CT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 23:19:38 GMT -5
Are you sure though?
I would have thought that any children she had to Spurr would be exactly that - Spurr, but any illegitimate children she had would take her maiden name because they certainly would not be Mr Spurr's children. Given the number of times they got confused with Ivey I think that is what they thought as well.
The issue of illegitimacy would be severe on children back in the days when illegtitmacy saw the removal of rights to inheritance etc and is likely the reason fathers names were missing from the birth certificates.
So if Mr Spurr did not want his name on the birth certificate, and Mr Glasson did not either, then the child was the child of Mary Ivey... in my humble, but ignorant of the law at the time's, opinion.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 11, 2012 1:19:48 GMT -5
Ahhh! But ............................. 1. John Spur was buried at Gwinear 15th March 1810 which means he could not have given two hoots about the situation. 2. Said Robert Glasson was himself baptised as Robert Glasson SPUR 8th September 1816 at Crowan. 3. The marriage to Ann Uren was recorded as 'Robert Glasson SPURR' with father's name recorded as Robert GLASSON (Spurr crossed out), innkeeper. 4. When his sons Robert and William Henry were born the births were registered as Robert SPURR and William Henry SPURR. That suggests that 'legally' these people were all SPURRs. CT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 23:41:10 GMT -5
Leaving the question of legality to one side, Jane Uren IVEY (could have been Spurr, Glasson, Ivey) married the widower William Semmens in 1873 in the Register Office in Helston and named her father as Robert IVEY. Jane was a 27 year old spinster.
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Post by cumbrian on Oct 17, 2017 11:14:56 GMT -5
That would be the fault of my 4xgt-grandmother Ann Glasson then! ;D CT Hi Is this thread still ongoing? Just found it. I am a Whitehaven Glasson. My great great grandad was James Glasson born circa 1798.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2017 21:06:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the site. All threads are ongoing even though they may have been dormant for some time. CT
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Post by zibetha on Oct 18, 2017 1:11:53 GMT -5
I say, keep it going--- when you can attach onto an existing thread, things are much more clear to follow vs. starting new ones.
Welcome--
Zib
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