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Post by Tonkin on Dec 18, 2010 3:20:19 GMT -5
Hi Wen.
Nice to hear from you again. Keep calling in and have a look see as you never know what will turn up. Please let me know if you find out anything more about Jemmy as I'm still interested to see if he is connected to my line.
Hope you have not been flooded out with all the rain we have been having ... looks like we may have a wet Christmas. All the best for the silly season and New Year.
Roy ... from down under.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 18, 2010 7:25:04 GMT -5
Hello Wen - relying on Google huh! Why not just frequent here a little more often and just ask questions. There are any amount of us who can help with ideas of places to search and how to access them and that way you can also learn to find your own way around. Like you say, Google is very hit and miss. CT
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Post by dampknee on Jun 8, 2014 17:36:20 GMT -5
Doing a google last night and came across these posts. Found it very interesting even though this is an old post and all answers probably found. My grand mother Esther Marsland Jeffery (married a Rynhart) was the daughter of Edward Jeffery and Selina Tonkin whose parents were James Tonkin and Elizabeth Russell. Edwards was the son of William Jeffery and Eliza Ayres (2nd wife), his half brother George who was the son of William and Maria Bouvier (1st wife) who died along with her 4th child during childbirth. George came out to SA first and Edward followed when he was 18. George married Selina's cousin Mary Tonkin. Marys father was John Tonkin. I have Selina and Edward's memoirs that they hand wrote in their later years, which reminds me I must reread them, and I did start typing them but other life got in the way, must start again as they are invaluable. Selina and Edward had 13 children, but only about half lived to adult hood, and I remember that she called him Mr Jeffery all through her memoirs. all this info probably now not valid but thought I would do my first post
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 9, 2014 2:21:07 GMT -5
Welcome to the site 'dampknee'. Regardless of how old a post might be we always welcome new comments because we are reminded of old threads that might have been forgotten. Occasionally those threads contain queries or mysteries that remain unresolved and there have been occasions where new posts such as yours have been the catalyst which stirred up renewed efforts and ultimately led to the solution of those problems. The details of your connection to this family should be of interest to other descendants and will hopefully resurrect discussion that might help fill in a few more little gaps for you all. Of particular interest I should think would be the memoirs of Selina and Edward! I think it a good idea that you get cracking again on typing them as I suspect you may have requests for copies before long. But perhaps a better idea for those memoirs would be to also have them digitally copied. Doing that not only helps preserve the original but it would give others the opportunity to see the original handwriting. I will read through the thread again in case there are any questions still unanswered. CT
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Post by dampknee on Jun 9, 2014 16:06:36 GMT -5
My memoirs are photocopied from the originals. Edwards are quite long, Selina's not quite so. they were in their later years when they wrote them. Other family members have done extensive research into the Jeffery side but I do not have a lot on Selina's ancestors. My family history interest is sporadic as a lot of the time I just do not have the time. but if I can supply any answers will be quite happy to.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 10, 2014 5:27:42 GMT -5
I did not get as far last night as I thought I might however I did find the what I believe to be the correct Jeffery Links back to the Marriage Banns between Isaac Jeffery and Rebecca Pickett at St Mary, Newington. I have not yet found the actual marriage but I noted that the online family trees I looked at quote a date of 19th September 1779 which is actually the date the Banns were read for the third time. I am still intrigued by the 'Reynolds' connection (used as a second given name for a number of children of Isaac and Rebecca) but I probably won't pursue that too much as it does not appear to be Cornish in origin.
Because this site is more specifically aimed at Cornish origins I would like to know a little more about the Tonkin connections. You say that Mary Tonkin, wife of George Jeffery, was daughter of John Tonkin and that she was a cousin to Selina. Could you enlighten me a little as to who you think Mary's parents were and just how she is a cousin to Selina?
I have Selina as daughter of James Tonkin and Elizabeth Russel but have not yet found enough information to be convinced of the parentage of James. Any thoughts you have will be welcome and I can pursue it from there.
CT
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Post by dampknee on Jun 10, 2014 16:29:15 GMT -5
From notes from my relation Andrew Jeffery who is descendant of George and Mary Jeffery who has done extensive family history research, Mary Tonkin's father was John and her mother Prudence. Probably have her maiden name somewhere in info from Andrew but not got time this week to look extensively. George and Mary married 14th December 1852, Mary was only 15 1/2 yr. George's half brother Edward married Selina Tonkin, daughter of James and Elizabeth and Selina was a niece to both Enoch and Betsy Tonkin and John and Prudence Tonkin.
Isaac Jeffery and Rebecca Picket were Edward and George's grandparents . Edward in his memoirs talks about his uncle Isaac (son of Isaac and Rebecca) went to Australia and was never heard of again but I had a descendant of Isaac ring me a couple if years ago and filled me in on what happened.
The name of Reynolds has made us wonder as well. I would have to go back through my notes ( I probably need to enter more on my computer program) , I think it is thought that it was of someone of importance to the family but not related. Edward's father William was second youngest child of Isaac and Rebecca.
This week is busy but will look up when I get more time what I have on the Tonkin's, I know have a bit more info. Thank you for your reply
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Post by dampknee on Jun 11, 2014 16:47:08 GMT -5
had time last night to have a quick look through numerous papers - James Tonkin & Elizabeth Russell were married 17-7-1824 St Buryan, Cornmwall. They came out to Australia on the "British Sovereign" ju1y 1847. my relation also had written a bit about Selina's memoirs written early 1900's
Selina wrote - My fathers name was James Tonkin and my grandfathers name the same. My fathers mother was a Gilbert before her marriage. My mother a Russell, and my mothers mother was a Hancock. My first home was in (looks like Lisbran, Not familiar with Cornwall names) Cornwall and next lived at Trevergan ?, and at Burren Churchtown while she attended school. She said she had 4 sisters and three brothers and her brothers died young. She also mentions her fathers brothers as uncle Enoch and Uncle John. Her sisters names were Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Hannah.
Selina's husband Edward Jeffery described James Tonkin as a good man and a Methodist for nearly 70 yrs.
I hope that information can be helpful. I have not any more information that I can quickly put my hands on to give a maiden name for John Tonkins wife Prudence. Family history and which generation can be confusing as they repeated names so often. at reunion of husband family, his g-grandfather was Edmund Biddulph Henning, who called his eldest son the same, the eldest son in turn called his eldest the same, and the reunion was held at the 3rd Edmund, all got very confusing checking which generation talking about!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 12, 2014 2:53:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the details in your latest posts. I have spent quite some time working my way through the Tonkin families in the area of St Levan, Sennen and St Buryan to clean up and recheck some work I did many years ago and I still have a bit to do tonight. I had hoped to post a message last night to outline a few things I had found but time just got away.
The main thing I wanted to tell you had been in my database for years. The wife of John Tonkin was named Prudence Trenowth and the marriage was witnessed by Hugh Trenowth and Hugh Trenowth. She appears to have been born about 1811 daughter of Hugh Trenowth and Mary Tonkin. The Trenowth/Trenouth/Trenoweth family is a bit of a mystery to me and it is most confusing in this case as Prudence had a cousin of the same name born at St Buryan about the same time. Hugh Trenouth married Mary Tonkin at Paul in 1803 and there are three children baptised at Pauyl in 1804, 1806 and 1807. However I know of at least three children for whom I have not been able to find baptisms anywhere! Hugh Trenowth had a brother William who married Elizabeth Hollow at St Buryan in 1799 and they had a daughter Prudence baptised at St Buryan in 1811. This Prudence married Edgar Blewett at St Buryan in 1835.
The next difficulty with the Tonkin family revolves around Selina Tonkin's 'uncles' and her grandparents. From the information you have supplied it appears Selina's grandparents were Jemmy Tonkin and Martha Jelbart who married at St Levan in 1794 and from other information I have found her father 'should' have been Jemmy's eldest son James who was baptised in 1795. The dilemma with this is that Jemmy and Martha baptised two subsequent sons named James in 1797 and 1800. They also baptised two daughters named Martha but the problem is that I can find no burials for the first two James or for the first Martha! The second dilemma is that Jemmy did not have a son named Enoch which would mean that Selina's 'uncles' were not all really 'uncles' as we know it. One or other or both may have been an elder cousin rather than a true uncle.
Will work more on this and see if I can find an answer.
CT
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Post by dampknee on Jun 12, 2014 16:21:36 GMT -5
Thank you for that info. Quick reply, My G-grandmother Selina's father James according to my relations work, born about 1794 Cornwall. He died 8/5/1880 at Maylands South Australia. Elizabeth Tonkin (nee Russell) born about 1793 (st Buryan records say she was baptised 7/7/1799), she died 14/10/1871, he says her parents said to be Walter Russell who married Christian Hancock who were married St. Buryan 11/2/1782. I may have updated info from my relation but not time to go thoroughly it all unless I stumble across it.
It can get quite a puzzle sometimes, my relation who has done extensive work on the Jeffrey side, has a gap finding records, we have a copy of a very old family Jeffery tree. My ancestor was a brother of the "hanging Judge" and family folk lore says the family changed the spelling a bit and went to live in France for a while. All interesting.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 16, 2014 4:03:20 GMT -5
In case you are wondering - I have not disappeared! I am spending some time working on all the James Tonkins in the far West of Cornwall in an effort to find the correct ancestral links for Selina. Will advise when I have something of interest. CT
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Post by grantjeffery on Sept 8, 2015 9:46:02 GMT -5
Hello dampknee/ cornish terrier.
dampknee, i assume the andrew jeffery you refer to is the one from Victor Harbor? I am also a descendent of George jeffery and mary tonkin - and was glad to find your notes about the relationship between selina and mary tonkin.
I would love further info on isaac and rebecca...and also if you have andrew's contact details, as i have lost them.
all my records say it is unlikely there is a direct link to the hanging judge...but keen to hear more!
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