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Edwards
Oct 6, 2009 17:08:16 GMT -5
Post by graham on Oct 6, 2009 17:08:16 GMT -5
Looking for the ancestors of Thomas Edwards b1847 in Gulval. It looks as if his mother was Alice and his father unknown. Alice's mother and father were Richard and Elizabeth but beyond that I don't know, except that there were many Edwards's in Cornwall at the time. Anyone else interested in the Edwards's? Help would be appreciated. Graham
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 3:37:55 GMT -5
Hi Graham - let's see if I can find a few things for you.
Alice d/o Richard (labourer) and Elizabeth Edwards of Chyandour baptised 1st August 1829 at Gulval
In 1851 the family was still at Chyandour with a visitor - Mary Triggs age 80 born St Just.
It is possible this is Elizabeth Edwards' mother.
The following marriage appears in an early CFHS Transcript:-
Richard EDWARDS married Elizabeth TRIGS 3rd July 1819 at Lelant
This marriage does not appear on the OPC website.
It also does not appear in another transcript of Lelant marriages that I have but I do know of at least one other marriage that also does not appear in that document.
However IGI also records th Edwards/Trigs marriage with a batch number I038541.
Try that for a start and I will see what more I can find.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 4:26:41 GMT -5
From what I have been able to find so far Richard and Elizabeth had six children, all daughters - Gertrude, Mary, Elizabeth, Alice, Sarah and Ann.
Gertrude married a widower named John Bridgman in 1847 at Gulval and appears on the Census in 1851 immediately after Richard and Elziabeth at Gulval.
Richard's age is recorded as 50 and birthplace Lelant.
There is a difference of a couple of years but I believe this to be the same man:-
Richard s/o Thomas and Alice Edwards bp. 29th April 1798 at Lelant
Thomas and Alice had a daughter Gertrude baptised at Lelant in 1795 and this is likely the source of the name for Richard's eldest daughter.
Parents 'may be':-
Thomas EDWARDS, tinner & Alice HOSKING 12th May 1788 Lelant
I say 'may be' as the first child at Lelant does not appear until 1791.
I will see if I can find something about Elizabeth Triggs and then take another look at young Thomas.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 4:39:40 GMT -5
It seems Elizabeth was also a little less than accurate when providing her age for the 1851 Census. She was recorded as age 50 however the only Elizabeth I can find born/baptised at Gulval between 1795 and 1805 was in 1797. Elizabeth d/o William Trigg bp. 26th November 1797 William TRIGGS married Mary NEKERVIS 4th June 1795 at Gulval So the Mary TRIGGS, visitor age 80 in the 1851 Census is now almost certainly the mother of Elizabeth Edwards. This will be:- Mary d/o Thomas and Elizabeth NEKERWISE bp. 5th November 1770 at St Just Mary TRIGGS of Chysauster age 82 was buried 19th July 1851 at Gulval. I will leave it to our NEKERVIS/NEKERWISE/ANKERWIS etc. experts to help you with the rest of this particular family! Off now to see what more I can find for your Thomas Edwards. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 5:27:23 GMT -5
From here it has become a little awkward. In the 1861 Census Alice is now married:- Garris, Gulval John MORRIS, head, mar, 26, agricultural labourer, Gulval Alice do., wife, mar, 33, Madron Job do., son, 4, scholar, Gulval Mary do., daur, 3, Gulval Richard EDWARDS, father-in-law, mar, 64, labourer, Lelant Elizabeth do., mother-in-law, mar, 64 labourer's wife, Gulval Thomas do., unm, 14, miller, Gulval Thomas relationship is not recorded. I cannot find a marriage anywhere, including FreeBMD, for John MORRIS and Alice EDWARDS. However FreeBMD has this one:- Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDWARDS Alice Penzance 5c 533 MURRISH John Wallish Penzance 5c 533 This is undoubtedly:- John Wallis s/o Job (labourer) and Mary MORRIS of Boscobba bp. 5th January 1834 Gulval Still looking for a baptism for Thomas Edwards. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 5:36:00 GMT -5
It was so easy and I don't know why I did not find him earlier Thomas base son of Alice Edwards baptised 13th May 1847 at Gulval Hope all this helps. CT
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Post by graham on Oct 7, 2009 6:31:50 GMT -5
Dear CT, What a gem you are. I do appreciate your efforts in trying to sort out all these Edwards's. I have come across some of the other names you have mentioned but it has been difficult when you hunt for something that does not seem to exist. It will take a little while for me to check but what you are saying does seem to add up. Alice's son Thomas is my great grandfather, hence the interest. Regards, Graham
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 6:40:23 GMT -5
My pleasure Graham.
It does become a problem with illegitimate children and the way they sometimes appear in Census records.
Also a problem are names like MORRIS which becomes MORISH, MORRISH, MURRISH etc.
But from what I can see the information I have found should have you on the right track.
I hope you are going to stick around as a member but don't hesitate to ask whenever you need some help.
CT
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Edwards
Oct 11, 2009 5:24:41 GMT -5
Post by graham on Oct 11, 2009 5:24:41 GMT -5
Dear CT, Once again thank you for your help. I haven't been able to reply again sooner as the computer has been away for repairs; I only just managed to get the last message in before it refused to do anything, including turning on! Furthermore, holidays are over so I will have a bit less time, although fourth term slows down towards the end. Yes I am planning to stick around as a member; there's lots more to find out. Family search also supports some of the family links that you discovered re Edwards. Regards, Graham
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Edwards
Oct 11, 2009 7:36:05 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 11, 2009 7:36:05 GMT -5
Graham - not everything has to be done yesterday and all those yesterdays will still be here at the end of the fourth term. Will 'see' you here as you have the time. CT
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Edwards
Dec 12, 2009 9:26:25 GMT -5
Post by graham on Dec 12, 2009 9:26:25 GMT -5
The end of fourth term has arrived. There were some outstanding results from the 13/14 year olds, who I teach and mixed results with the older kids. There are those, (mainly the younger ones), who are still coming to terms with their approach towards higher levels of learning and their acceptance, that other people also live on the planet! Teenagers these days have a lot on their minds but I believe, by encouraging them to recognise and understand the beliefs and lifestyles of their own ancestors, they will become interested in family search and realise, that afterall, they are (only)?!!! the direct descendants of the people who have gone before them and that this will/may be important to them in the future, if not now. Sorry, if this has nothing really to do with why the site exists but now I'm back on deck and ready to go. Edwards, Edwards, Edwards! There must be lots out there interested in Edwards' links. I'm still trying to figure out some of the gaps that exist in my own Edwards tree but I will return to this. Meanwhile, would you believe, that just over the back fence, at the (St. Judes Anglican) Brighton Cemetery (Adelaide), South Australia, I discovered that there is a grave for William Edwards 1811-1908 and Elizabeth Edwards 1811 - 1898, who arrived on the Java, 6 Feb 1840, (very early for S.A. as the colony was only founded in 1836). Hope this is helpful to someone. The full MI is available on line too. It does make me wonder if we are related or should I say how are we related?. It would be very strange if we were, beause my grandfather, Richard Edwards, b 1880 Gulval, came to Australia from Cornwall, via Pretoria, where he married my grandmother (Ruth Howse), before they migrated to South Australia and lived in Semaphore, near Port Adelaide. They then moved to Sydney, where I was born. When I was 19 years old, I left Sydney and ended up back in Adelaide. Enough for now but I will be back with some Edwards and Tonkin questions soon. Reards Graham
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Edwards
Dec 12, 2009 10:38:44 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 12, 2009 10:38:44 GMT -5
Welcome back Graham. I like your philosophy with those kids and if you can get them interested enough it should teach them quite a bit and perhaps help them understand the world a little better. I will be looking forward to your queries and will do my best to help you out but I may be a little slow at times as the Summer starts to get into full swing. Your SA and NSW experience will tell you that Victoria could be in trouble again this fire season so I am sure you will undestand. But I will be doing my best to keep up. CT
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Edwards
Feb 19, 2010 4:45:26 GMT -5
Post by chezza53 on Feb 19, 2010 4:45:26 GMT -5
Hi Graham, I too have an interest in Edwards. My grandfather Nicholas Oates's mother is listed as Mary Edwards Oates formerly Binney. As I have just started on this side of the family I have little information to go on. I will keep searching and see what I can find out. Cheryl
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Edwards
Jun 26, 2010 10:37:32 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jun 26, 2010 10:37:32 GMT -5
Dear CT, Please let me know whether or not I'm in the right domain. Should I be making this entry on another part of the site? Please let me know. Anyway, it is good to be back on deck. What happens to the time? It is now the end of Term 2, with reports finished. So with the holidays approaching, I have some more time to try and sort out a bit more about the Edwards of Uny Lelant and Gulval (and maybe elsewhere in Cornwall: there were just so many of them and I am feeling that those Edwards in other nearby parishes were related). However, I have confirmed that the William Edwards 1811-1908 and his wife Elizabeth 1811 -1898, who arrived on the Java (in Adelaide in1840), were not directly related to me, (at least as far as I can gather at this point). They were at the other end of Cornwall. Oh well! Since I was last in contact with you, I have learned more and I am happy to share this, but I'm afraid my access to resources is limited, (on line and mainly LDS/IGI, CFHS and GR) but I push on. Nevertheless I continue to compile a lot of Edwards related stuff (and other non Edwards who may be rels)! and I am more than happy to share what I know. Have you seen the updated online CFHS site? I've have made an attempt and found the programme pretty tricky but then again, in this field, I'm not as sharp as some of the kids I teach. You will see where I have had a go. It seems that once you have typed something in, it is very hard to make corrections (like I have just done) unless you start again. What have they done? Being a lousy typist I found that it was almost impossible to correct mistakes: something that remains very frustrating if you aim to be perfect when it comes to spelling and language. A lot of "oldies" who probably have the most trouble being computer literate will find this a real challenge, which is a shame, as they are the ones who hold many of the answers we are seeking. Any (online) statement inevitabely requires drafting and checking and their programme seems to be uncompromising in this respect. (Maybe I have missed sometning). Nevertheless it is early days for their programme and I hope that they will sort out any problems that exist. I'm sure you are a member (if not an OPC), so you probably understand. I appreciate this programme, as I find it so much easier to edit and correct my mistakes. Now back to F.T. stuff. Of course I've got lots of questions. Meanwhile I'd be pleased if you could find out, if known: *who were the parents of William Edwards b abt1731 at Uny Lelant? (married Ann Uren 3 Aug 1756). *in the meantime I am trying to identify any common lineage with the Edwards of Uny Lelant and other (neighbouring) parishes. e.g. I know that my 3rd great grandfather father, Richard Edwards, b Uny Lelant, 29 Apr 1798 moved to Gulval after marrying Elizabeth Triggs 3 Jul 1819 (at Uny Lelant). From down under, it is difficult to determine whether there were other cross boundaries of parish lines. There seem to be so many other Edwards families in Breage and other neighbouring parishes which make it difficult to determine any possible links. Any ideas here? Best wishes for now, Graham
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Edwards
Jun 26, 2010 12:26:34 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2010 12:26:34 GMT -5
G'day Graham - good to see you back again with a little time on your hands! Without seeing first hand what your problem is with the CFHS site it is a little difficult to offer solutions although I am wondering if you actually mean the OPC site? Now - crossing boundaries. Although a number of families seemed to stay within the one Parish over a long period of time none were actually 'fenced in' so to speak so it is far from uncommon to find connections away from the 'home Parish'. Some family names seem to all but never appear in certain areas - at least not until quite late. But we can begin by working on the possibility that William was from a family who had been in the Parish for some time. We would possibly then need to see if there was any movement between Parishes for the baptisms of children and that may give us further clues. The idea is to try and keep it simple until it needs to become complicated! The Edwards family was at Lelant quite early so I would certainly begin looking there. But it might also depend on just where in Lelant Parish the family lived. Your query gives an indication that William Edwards was born 'about 1731'. I am going to suggest the possibility that this information has come from the IGI? If that is so then I would tend to ignore it as any such references in IGI seem to suggest that 90% of males married at age 25! Start with the possibility that he may have married as young as about 18 and then consider that he could have been 40 or more. See what baptisms can be found in the area around Lelant and see if anything stands out. But first of all try to make sure you have a complete list of children for William and Ann so that you can see if the old naming patters might have been used for the children. I will have a look around and see if I can find anything obvious. CT
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